Ponting is a better batsman that Border, period. Coming in after Chappell and Bradman he would be better suited to drive home any advantage gained or consolidate if required.
The man is a top 15 ATG batsman who played on just a little too long. Nothing to be penalised for, or the fact that he played with tremendous teammates, some ATG as well (Gilchrist and Hayden (somewhat)) and some very good ones.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
On a geek level, his numbers for Greg Chappell are off - the table at the top gives an incorrect Test average (though the one he uses in the text is right), the WSC average he quotes is too low and surprisingly - given that he mentions WSC - he ignores GSC's stellar performances in the 71/72 RoW series (425 runs at 106.25 from 3 matches).
All of which just strengthen's Chappell's case as Australia's all time number 2.
Here is a more indepth 'peer comparison' that involves all Test playing nations rather than just inter-Australia;
The top 20 middle-order batsman (>4000 middle-order runs) in the study stack-up thus;Comparing Test Batsman with their Peers
1. For each player, create a match subset of their career limits, in other words from their first to last Tests. For Tendulkar it is 1127(1989) to 1918(2009), a subset of 792 Tests, the longest span for any player.
2. Sum the three main data elements, Innings, Not Outs, and Runs Scored for all the players for these matches. The Batting Average is used for comparison since this is the most accepted of all measures.
3. Subtract the player's own career figures from the total for the match subset and post these figures as a database segment. Even though the players' own numbers are quite low compared to the match subsets (Tendulkar 12773 out of 749558 runs) and the impact of this subtraction is minimal, it is done to get an exact peer segment.
4. For batsmen, first the base table is created. This table compares the batsman's bating average with the composite average of all batsmen during his playing span. This covers all batsmen since separate comparisons are done for specialized batting positions such as Opening, Middle order and Late order.
I have not done a separation by period. This is a pure peer comparison, cutting across all divisions.
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Last edited by watson; 02-12-2012 at 06:08 PM.
1. Sunil Gavaskar 2. Virender Sehwag 3. Jimmy Amarnath 4. Sachin Tendulkar 5. Virat Kohli 6. Vinoo Mankad 7. MS Dhoni 8. Kapil Dev 9. Javagal Srinath 10. Zaheer Khan 11. Subhash Gupte
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'Stats' is not a synonym for 'Career Test Averages'
Originally Posted by Jeffrey Tucker
and who is the 2nd best aus batsman now that Ponting's stats are done
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Greatest Ever Test XI: JB Hobbs, L Hutton, DG Bradman (c), IVA Richards, BC Lara, GS Sobers, AC Gilchrist (wk), Imran Khan, RJ Hadlee, MD Marshall, SK Warne 12th man: M Muralitharan
Favorite XI: WG Grace, VT Trumper, IVA Richards, DCS Compton, FMM Worrell (c), AC Gilchrist (wk), CL Cairns, SK Warne, FS Trueman, SE Bond, T Richardson 12th man: H Larwood
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