Trumper and Hayden
Trumper and Hayden
CricZo XI - 3 Draft Winner
Scorecard Draft (2010) V Sehwag, D Amiss, D Bradman (c), C Cowdrey, P Umrigar, A Faulkner, R Marsh +, M Marshall, W Hall, M Hughes, B O'Reilly
Alphabetical Draft (2011) S Watson, G Kirsten, D Bradman (c), K Sangakkara +, C Cowdrey, K Pietersen, A Flintoff, M Marshall, B O'Reilly, F Trueman, T Alderman
The Eras Draft (2014) V Trumper, A Morris, N Harvey, J Kallis, S McCabe, F Woolley, Imran Khan (c), J Dujon +, J Briggs, D Steyn, J Snow
Trumper and Bradman
I am often asked who was the best, fastest or toughest bowler I ever faced and I quite enjoy giving different answers every time. Well, it keeps me amused anyway –but the underlying point is that one could revise this whole list on a daily basis and never really be right and never really be wrong - DAVID GOWER
Ponsford and Hayden.
See below for rationale.
Last edited by LongHopCassidy; 18-10-2012 at 02:36 AM.
"The Australian cricket captain is the Prime Minister Australia wishes it had. Steve Waugh is that man, Michael Clarke is not." - Jarrod Kimber
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Trumper & Morris.
Both made the cut for the "Mike Brearley's Batting Aces" pack of Top Trumps I had when I was a nipper and that's good enough for me.
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- As featured in The Independent.
"I don't think that they'll come close to us to be honest."
- Steve Smith before the Ashes
Seriously, what have we sunk to as a Test-playing country when Bill ****ing Lawry is being entertained as our best bet against Marshall, Hadlee and Wasim? What the **** for? Led the averages on a single England tour (a feat which incidentally hasn't eluded Bill Johnston). Not a single innings heralded as one of the great Australian knocks, unless you count the one eclipsed by Benaud's bowling in 1961. A strike rate which makes Geoff Boycott look like a pathological switch-hitter on amphetamines. Terrible captain, dire fieldsman, pissweak record in the subcontinent. It's beyond disgraceful that a middling batsman like Lawry can be a viable option as one of the best openers to pull on a baggy green because he gelled so well with Simpson, but someone like Langer is an arsey little FTB who stood on the shoulders of giants.
A giant, no less, whose career stats can be tampered to look worse than Nasser Hussain's if you factor in first-chance averages and look at their records in the second innings of third Tests with a UV light. Hayden along with Ponsford has easily the best average among this mob and he's non-negotiably crap because he mis-hit half a dozen Murray Minted balls.
It rustles me, it really does. Lawry should be fighting for the last position in the commentary box for these simmed games, let alone wearing whites.
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210 V WI - Bridgetown 1965 (Hall, Griffith, Sobers, Gibbs)
205 V WI - MCG 1968 (Edwards, Davis, Sobers, Gibbs)
166 V Eng - Brisbane 1965 (Brown, Higgs, Allen, Titmus)
157 V SA - MCG 1964 (Pollock, Goddard)
151 V WI - SCG 1969 (Hall, Griffith, Sobers, Gibbs)
135 V Eng - Oval 1968 (Snow, Brown, Underwood, Illingworth)
130 V Eng - Lords 1961 (Trueman, Statham, Lock)
119 V Eng - Adelaide 1966 (Jones, Brown, Allen, Titmus)
108 V Eng - MCG 1966 (Jones, Brown, Knight, Titmus)
106 V Eng - Manchester 1961 (Cartwright, Price, Rumsey, Titmus)
105 V WI - Brisbane 1968 (Griffith, Holford, Sobers, Gibbs)
102 V Eng - Manchester 1961 (Trueman, Statham, Flavell, Allen)
100 V Ind - MCG 1967 (Chandra, Prasanna, Desai)
(Yeah, a lot of really ****-house bowlers listed there)
Total Runs = 5234
Average = 47.15
Average in India (8 tests) = 43.58
I also recommend that you listen to Ian Chappell. It is a myth that Lawry was overly defensive;
Chappell's Ashes Captains: Bill Lawry - YouTube
And Lawry had four not-outs in India, which obfuscates the unfortunate fact that he made no hundreds there. Didn't really carpe diem in Pakistan, either.
He was an excellent strokemaker at the outset of his career (which was why he made the 1961 tour) but his scoring inktiative gradually deteriorated to the point where he was ultimately a liability to his own side. It's a similar argument to the one posed against Botham's bowling record: he damaged his legacy by sticking around too long.
See Gideon Haigh vis a vis his Cricinfo profile:
Good opener? Of course, he'd be welcome in the current Australian team. ATG? No.After catching the eye with elegant strokes on his first Ashes tour in 1961, long-nosed left-hander Bill Lawry steadily pared his batting back, until it was as skeletal as his appearance. By the time he inherited Australia's captaincy against India in 1967-68, he had become the most rigidly self-denying batsman of his generation, as hard to watch as he was to dismiss. Ian Wooldridge, the English journalist, called him "a corpse with pads on".
Last edited by LongHopCassidy; 18-10-2012 at 03:48 AM.
trumper and hayden. rock and roll.
Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick
Matt Hayden is criminally under-rated on CW.
Victor Trumper and Arthur Morris
Originally Spoken by Brendon McCullum
You have got to earn the right to be aggressive.
I think it's odd that people like Hutton or Headley are played out of position in these XIs but the Don never is, surely if any no.3 is qualified to open the batting, he is.
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