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    Meanwhile Starc turns in another nondescript performance

    1 for 50 off 14

    Look, I am not saying the guy is a donkey, but dont mix up his red ball and white ball performances
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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    Meanwhile Starc turns in another nondescript performance

    1 for 50 off 14

    Look, I am not saying the guy is a donkey, but dont mix up his red ball and white ball performances
    Howard, weren't you the one advocating Callum Ferguson's inclusion in the test team, despite his very poor shield record, because he 'looked at home' when he played ODI's? Now I'm not a Dulux paint expert, but don't they use white balls in ODI's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Howard, weren't you the one advocating Callum Ferguson's inclusion in the test team, despite his very poor shield record, because he 'looked at home' when he played ODI's? Now I'm not a Dulux paint expert, but don't they use white balls in ODI's?
    I will pay you that

    The white ball however goes to the heart of the gap between Starc's performances in the two formats - he can make that thing talk in a way that he can't with the red ball

    And I certainly want to avoid talking in extremes, and am careful to say that Starc has a ton of ability and is very capable

    However, I just don't think he warrants a Test recall until we see a little bit more red ball field evidence


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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    Meanwhile Starc turns in another nondescript performance

    1 for 50 off 14

    Look, I am not saying the guy is a donkey, but dont mix up his red ball and white ball performances
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    Chadd Sayers is taking some good wickets at the moment.

    Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    I will pay you that

    The white ball however goes to the heart of the gap between Starc's performances in the two formats - he can make that thing talk in a way that he can't with the red ball

    And I certainly want to avoid talking in extremes, and am careful to say that Starc has a ton of ability and is very capable

    However, I just don't think he warrants a Test recall until we see a little bit more red ball field evidence
    tbh, though, lefties tend to be boom or bust sorts. It's harder to just do a job if you're a leftie because of the line you bowl; easier to leave a leftie if they aren't swinging it and if they are, BoomPfeiffer. It's harder for lefties to be 'in the game', so to speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178 View Post
    Didn't that also happen at Cardiff in 2009?
    Yeah I think it did to an extent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    tbh, though, lefties tend to be boom or bust sorts. It's harder to just do a job if you're a leftie because of the line you bowl; easier to leave a leftie if they aren't swinging it and if they are, BoomPfeiffer. It's harder for lefties to be 'in the game', so to speak.
    What if they go round the wicket? Were I a southpaw, that's what I'd do to all right handers by default.
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    Takes out a lot of modes of dismissal, doesn't it, unless you can get it to deck away?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy View Post
    What if they go round the wicket? Were I a southpaw, that's what I'd do to all right handers by default.
    If you're left handed and you're bowling 'round the wicket I feel bad for you son, you'll get 99 wickets but an LB ain't one.
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    Yup. Especially for blokes who get some natural inswing.

    Reverse swing time, head around the wicket.

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    Risk/reward. If you're not moving the ball and get straight (which is likely for most), the angle you send them down out will make you easy pickings off the hip/pads, almost worse than being hit for 4 and you take LBW out of the equation. And to get nicks, you're basically relying on moving the ball heaps away from the bat, the wrist position for the leftie's away-going ball from around the wicket being relatively easy to pick up. That or you're relying on beating the batsman and bowling him, pretty much, which takes bowling an absolute jaffa. Compare that to over the wicket where the natural angle gives you something to work with if the ball isn't moving much and, if it is, you're really dangerous. That and you've got a better chance of being economical.

    Big movers like Wasim and Amir could make bowling around the wicket worth their while and it's how someone like Starc has done it of late too. But if you're not a big mover of the ball, bowling around the sticks is just a lot harder.

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