***Official*** South Africa in Australia 2012

[Neil Pickup]

indeed, have to say I thought it was out in real time.

Kallis, such an incredible cricketer, I'm sure when his career ends and we don't have to watch him, we'll start evaluating his greatness properly.

We need to appreciate what we're seeing now. Even if he couldn't bowl he'd go down as one of the great batsmen... look at that centuries/innings ratio that C9 just put up. And he's got 280 wickets as well...

[Spikey]

first siddle stops eating meat and now he starts plugging books

[morgieb]

first siddle stops eating meat and now he starts plugging books

Drop him.

[Burgey]

Why is Taylor talking so quickly? Slow down **** sake.

Always does. It's woeful.

Tory sympathizer ftr.

[The Sean]

We need to appreciate what we're seeing now. Even if he couldn't bowl he'd go down as one of the great batsmen... look at that centuries/innings ratio that C9 just put up. And he's got 280 wickets as well...

This. Not to mention nearly 200 catches. And then similar ODI numbers. It seems almost trite to say it, but if he were Australian, English or Indian I reckon the level of appreciation would be such that the only debate would be what order to rank him, Bradman and Sobers as the game's all time top 3.

[uvelocity]

wondering if siddle has done himself a mischief

[NUFAN]

I'm very slowly, reluctantly accepting Kallis brilliance as a Test Cricketer. Still cringe a little whenever I hear his ODI credentials being talked about as brilliant though.

With the wicket of Amla, Siddle now is level with Johnny Briggs.

[grecian]

I'm very slowly, reluctantly accepting Kallis brilliance as a Test Cricketer. Still cringe a little whenever I hear his ODI credentials being talked about as brilliant though.

With the wicket of Amla, Siddle now is level with Johnny Briggs.

Presumably your talking about the Coronation Street actor, because as a bowler it's just not right

[hazsa19]

This. Not to mention nearly 200 catches. And then similar ODI numbers. It seems almost trite to say it, but if he were Australian, English or Indian I reckon the level of appreciation would be such that the only debate would be what order to rank him, Bradman and Sobers as the game's all time top 3.

I'm English and you won't find me arguing with that accolade.

In the modern era he's obviously compared with Lara/Tendulkar/Ponting. I think it's simply a case that most fans (massive assumption) would rather see any of the others come to the crease for entertainments sake.

[TT Boy]

Presumably your talking about the Coronation Street actor, because as a bowler it's just not right

Mike Baldwin

[Burgey]

Patto's second spells so often more menacing than his first on a given day.

[grecian]

This. Not to mention nearly 200 catches. And then similar ODI numbers. It seems almost trite to say it, but if he were Australian, English or Indian I reckon the level of appreciation would be such that the only debate would be what order to rank him, Bradman and Sobers as the game's all time top 3.

I really don't think it's nationality, Steyn and Donald are rightly lauded, it's all about style, which he has none.

I think I can now realise he's in the top two or three cricketers of all time, but it's really been hard for me, because I'm a purist ****.

I had similar problems with Glenn McGrath, I think I did a list of 20 best fast--bowlers here, and didn't include him, but now I've come to accept his performances at a time when almost all other pacers struggle are exceptional.

[Scaly piscine]

I reckon Australia are value at whatever long odds you can get. This is one of those games where the situation works against the team batting first because they have to be very dominant to win. Australia only have to get within 50-100 runs of South Africa and they will have a better chance of winning than the tourists.

[Burgey]

Decent first over from Lyon there.

/betterthanSwann

/butsowhat

[hazsa19]

Listening to this conversation I really want someone to remember the 2005 Old Trafford Ashes Test where Mcgrath had Vaughan dropped. The next ball he bowled him off a no-ball and he went on to make a big ton