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    ATG team from each nation- consensus thread- Aus, Eng, WI

    So, the other ATG thread is focussing heavily on each nation's greatest test combo.

    The idea of this thread is to get a decent consensus on the best teams. We'll kick it off with Australia, England and the West Indies. Feel free to converse, nicely, on other teams!

    Post your best line up here, with a 12th man, for each of the 3 nations. After we've hashed this out, we'll do another one on SA, India and Pakistan....

    Here are mine ( I think I've almost settled on these! )....


    Australia

    1. Bob Simpson
    2. Arthur Morris
    3. Don Bradman
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Victor Trumper
    6. Neil Harvey
    7. Adam Gilchrist
    8. Ray Lindwall
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Dennis Lillee
    11. Glenn McGrath
    12th- Keith Miller

    England

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. WG Grace
    3. Kumar Ranjitsinhji
    4. Wally Hammond
    5. Denis Compton
    6. Frank Woolley
    7. Ian Botham
    8. Allan Knott
    9. Fred Trueman
    10. George Lohmann
    11. SF Barnes
    12th- Len Hutton

    WI

    1. Gordon Greenidge
    2. Desmond Haynes
    3. George Headley
    4. Brian Lara
    5. Viv Richards
    6. Garry Sobers
    7. Clyde Walcott
    8. Malcolm Marshall
    9. Michael Holding
    10. Curtly Ambrose
    11. Lance Gibbs
    12th- Frank Worrell
    Last edited by Monk; 14-10-2012 at 02:05 AM.

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    Australia
    1. Victor Trumper
    2. Arthur Morris
    3. Don Bradman*
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Keith Miller
    6. Ricky Ponting
    7. Adam Gilchrist+
    8. Ray Lindwall
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Dennis Lillee
    11. Glenn McGrath

    England
    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Herbert Sutcliffe
    3. Len Hutton
    4. Wally Hammond
    5. WG Grace
    6. Douglas Jardine*
    7. Ian Botham
    8. Allan Knott+
    9. Fred Trueman
    10. Jim Laker
    11. Sydney Barnes

    West Indies
    1. Gordon Greenidge
    2. Frank Worrell*
    3. George Headley
    4. Brian Lara
    5. Viv Richards
    6. Garry Sobers
    7. Clyde Walcott+
    8. Malcolm Marshall
    9. Michael Holding
    10. Curtly Ambrose
    11. Joel Garner
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    I love Ponting at no 6 when you consider he average 50 compare to Steve Waugh who avg 51.04 at the same position. Even Allen Border avg more than him at 6.

    Ian Botham at 7 avg 40 where he avg 29 batting one down the order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooony View Post
    I love Ponting at no 6 when you consider he average 50 compare to Steve Waugh who avg 51.04 at the same position. Even Allen Border avg more than him at 6.

    Ian Botham at 7 avg 40 where he avg 29 batting one down the order.
    Positional averages are rubbish for the most part.
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    Also Monk, reckon we can just come to an agreement in the other thread. Don't wannt clog up CC with too many threads aiming to do the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Positional averages are rubbish for the most part.
    Sure


    Australia

    Sid Barnes
    Matthew Hayden
    Don Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Michael Clarke
    Steve Waugh
    Adam Gilchrist
    Shane Warne
    Glen McGrath
    Dennis Lillee
    Jeff Thomson

    England

    Sutcliffe
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Barrington
    Thorpe
    Bell
    Knott+
    Botham
    Gough
    Underwood
    Trueman

    West Indies

    Greenidge
    Gayle
    Lara
    Weekes
    Chanderpaul
    Richards
    Sobers
    Dujon+
    Marshall
    Garner
    Ambrose
    Last edited by Spooony; 14-10-2012 at 06:45 AM.

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    Gough?

    Wow, not the way I'd have gone, to put it politely.

    Thorpey and Ding Dong stretches too, much as I love the former.

    Or is this a "positional average" XI dealy?
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    Barnes and Hayden being the openers suggests it is. Although Thomson being the 3rd seamer suggests that it isn't
    Indians can't bowl - Where has the rumour come from as I myself and many indian friends arwe competent fast bowlers ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooony View Post
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    AT-XI
    #J.Hobbs; #L.Hutton; #D.Bradman; #V.Richards; #G.Sobers; #A.Border; #A.Gilchrist; #K.Miller; #I.Khan; #S.Warne; #M.Marshall;

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    Quote Originally Posted by spooony View Post
    sure


    australia

    sid barnes
    matthew hayden
    don bradman
    greg chappell
    michael clarke
    steve waugh
    adam gilchrist
    shane warne
    glen mcgrath
    dennis lillee
    jeff thomson

    england

    sutcliffe
    hutton
    hammond
    barrington
    thorpe
    bell
    knott+
    botham
    gough
    underwood
    trueman

    west indies

    greenidge
    gayle
    lara
    weekes
    chanderpaul
    richards
    sobers
    dujon+
    marshall
    garner
    ambrose
    wow.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    consensus
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoyBrumby View Post
    Gough?

    Wow, not the way I'd have gone, to put it politely.

    Thorpey and Ding Dong stretches too, much as I love the former.

    Or is this a "positional average" XI dealy?
    Doesn't look like it seeing as there's no Barnes, Blythe etc, and Beefy is worked in at #8.

    Anyway,

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe
    Hutton
    Hammond
    Compton
    Ames
    Botham
    Verity
    Trueman
    Larwood
    Barnes

    Toyed for a bit with leaving out Beefy, and despite him having a big claim to being the greatest ever England cricketer, I think you can justify leaving him out for a more reliable batsman like Woolley. In the end I kept him in but sacrificed Knott for Ames to help out the top six, otherwise I reckon the Windies effort would have something over us in the batting.

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    Consensus We are not too big on that here, now, are we? If we were, we might as well close down the whole forum

    Aussie XI: Simpson | Lawry | Bradman | Chappell | Ponting | Miller* | Gilly +| Warne | O'Reilly| Lillee | McGrath |

    Pommie XI: Hobbs | Sutcliffe | Hutton* | Hammond | Barrington | Compton | Knott +| Trueman | Snow | Larwood | Barnes |

    Caribbean XI: Greenidge | Headley | Viv | Lara | Worrell* | Sobers | Dujon +| Marshall | Roberts | Garner | Ambrose |

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    W.I

    Gordon Greenidge
    Sir Conrad Hunte
    George Headley *
    Sir I.V.A. Richards ^
    Brian Lara ^
    Sir Garfield Sobers ^
    Sir Clyde Walcott +
    Malcolm Marshall
    Curtly Ambrose
    Michael Holding
    Lance Gibbs

    Australia

    Arthur Morris
    Robert Simpson ^
    Sir Donald Bradman *
    Greg Chappell ^
    Allan Border
    Keith Miller
    Adam Gilchrist +
    Shane Warne ^
    Bill O'Reilly
    Dennis Lillee
    Glenn Mcgrath

    England

    Sir Jack Hobbs
    Sir Leonard Hutton *
    Sir Walter Hammond ^
    Kevin Pietersen
    Denis Compton ^
    Sir Ian Botham ^
    Allan Knott +
    Fred Trueman
    Jim Laker
    John Snow
    Sydney Barnes

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Consensus We are not too big on that here, now, are we? If we were, we might as well close down the whole forum

    Aussie XI: Simpson | Lawry | Bradman | Chappell | Ponting | Miller* | Gilly +| Warne | O'Reilly| Lillee | McGrath |

    Pommie XI: Hobbs | Sutcliffe | Hutton* | Hammond | Barrington | Compton | Knott +| Trueman | Snow | Larwood | Barnes |

    Caribbean XI: Greenidge | Headley | Viv | Lara | Worrell* | Sobers | Dujon +| Marshall | Roberts | Garner | Ambrose |
    George Headley never opened a test innings. When we start forcing people in positions they didn't play regularly or at all (Hutton) to cover other perceived weaknesses and forces as many stars into the team as possible and become too stat driven, this is a team one ends up with. Though Sobers and Worrell actually opened (and together).

    Garry Sobers
    Frank Worrell
    George Headley
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Everton Weekes
    Clyde Walcott
    Malcolm Marshall
    Curtly Ambrose
    Michael Holding
    Joel Garner

    Unbeatable, but is it right?

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