ATG team from each nation- consensus thread- Aus, Eng, WI

Monk · 14-10-2012, 02:03 AM

So, the other ATG thread is focussing heavily on each nation's greatest test combo.

The idea of this thread is to get a decent consensus on the best teams. We'll kick it off with Australia, England and the West Indies. Feel free to converse, nicely, on other teams!

Post your best line up here, with a 12th man, for each of the 3 nations. After we've hashed this out, we'll do another one on SA, India and Pakistan....

Here are mine ( I think I've almost settled on these! )....

Australia

1. Bob Simpson
2. Arthur Morris
3. Don Bradman
4. Greg Chappell
5. Victor Trumper
6. Neil Harvey
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Shane Warne
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath
12th- Keith Miller

England

1. Jack Hobbs
2. WG Grace
3. Kumar Ranjitsinhji
4. Wally Hammond
5. Denis Compton
6. Frank Woolley
7. Ian Botham
8. Allan Knott
9. Fred Trueman
10. George Lohmann
11. SF Barnes
12th- Len Hutton

WI

1. Gordon Greenidge
2. Desmond Haynes
3. George Headley
4. Brian Lara
5. Viv Richards
6. Garry Sobers
7. Clyde Walcott
8. Malcolm Marshall
9. Michael Holding
10. Curtly Ambrose
11. Lance Gibbs
12th- Frank Worrell

Eds · 14-10-2012, 02:17 AM

Australia
1. Victor Trumper
2. Arthur Morris
3. Don Bradman*
4. Greg Chappell
5. Keith Miller
6. Ricky Ponting
7. Adam Gilchrist+
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Shane Warne
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath

England
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. Len Hutton
4. Wally Hammond
5. WG Grace
6. Douglas Jardine*
7. Ian Botham
8. Allan Knott+
9. Fred Trueman
10. Jim Laker
11. Sydney Barnes

West Indies
1. Gordon Greenidge
2. Frank Worrell*
3. George Headley
4. Brian Lara
5. Viv Richards
6. Garry Sobers
7. Clyde Walcott+
8. Malcolm Marshall
9. Michael Holding
10. Curtly Ambrose
11. Joel Garner

Spooony · 14-10-2012, 03:16 AM

I love Ponting at no 6 when you consider he average 50 compare to Steve Waugh who avg 51.04 at the same position. Even Allen Border avg more than him at 6.

Ian Botham at 7 avg 40 where he avg 29 batting one down the order.

Jager · 14-10-2012, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooony

I love Ponting at no 6 when you consider he average 50 compare to Steve Waugh who avg 51.04 at the same position. Even Allen Border avg more than him at 6.

Ian Botham at 7 avg 40 where he avg 29 batting one down the order.

Positional averages are rubbish for the most part.

Jager · 14-10-2012, 04:36 AM

Also Monk, reckon we can just come to an agreement in the other thread. Don't wannt clog up CC with too many threads aiming to do the same thing.

Spooony · 14-10-2012, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jager

Positional averages are rubbish for the most part.

Sure

Australia

Sid Barnes
Matthew Hayden
Don Bradman
Greg Chappell
Michael Clarke
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Glen McGrath
Dennis Lillee
Jeff Thomson

England

Sutcliffe
Hutton
Hammond
Barrington
Thorpe
Bell
Knott+
Botham
Gough
Underwood
Trueman

West Indies

Greenidge
Gayle
Lara
Weekes
Chanderpaul
Richards
Sobers
Dujon+
Marshall
Garner
Ambrose

BoyBrumby · 14-10-2012, 07:03 AM

Gough?

Wow, not the way I'd have gone, to put it politely.

Thorpey and Ding Dong stretches too, much as I love the former.

Or is this a "positional average" XI dealy?

Spikey · 14-10-2012, 07:06 AM

Barnes and Hayden being the openers suggests it is. Although Thomson being the 3rd seamer suggests that it isn't

Viscount Tom · 14-10-2012, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spooony

Bell

CWB to arrive shortly

kyear2 · 14-10-2012, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spooony

sure

australia

sid barnes
matthew hayden
don bradman
greg chappell
michael clarke
steve waugh
adam gilchrist
shane warne
glen mcgrath
dennis lillee
jeff thomson

england

sutcliffe
hutton
hammond
barrington
thorpe
bell
knott+
botham
gough
underwood
trueman

west indies

greenidge
gayle
lara
weekes
chanderpaul
richards
sobers
dujon+
marshall
garner
ambrose

wow.

Howe_zat · 14-10-2012, 07:14 AM

Quote:

consensus

Howe_zat · 14-10-2012, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Gough?

Wow, not the way I'd have gone, to put it politely.

Thorpey and Ding Dong stretches too, much as I love the former.

Or is this a "positional average" XI dealy?

Doesn't look like it seeing as there's no Barnes, Blythe etc, and Beefy is worked in at #8.

Anyway,

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Hammond
Compton
Ames
Botham
Verity
Trueman
Larwood
Barnes

Toyed for a bit with leaving out Beefy, and despite him having a big claim to being the greatest ever England cricketer, I think you can justify leaving him out for a more reliable batsman like Woolley. In the end I kept him in but sacrificed Knott for Ames to help out the top six, otherwise I reckon the Windies effort would have something over us in the batting.

harsh.skm · 14-10-2012, 08:21 AM

Consensus

We are not too big on that here, now, are we? If we were, we might as well close down the whole forum

kyear2 · 14-10-2012, 09:04 AM

W.I

Gordon Greenidge
Sir Conrad Hunte
George Headley *
Sir I.V.A. Richards ^
Brian Lara ^
Sir Garfield Sobers ^
Sir Clyde Walcott +
Malcolm Marshall
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding
Lance Gibbs

Australia

Arthur Morris
Robert Simpson ^
Sir Donald Bradman *
Greg Chappell ^
Allan Border
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist +
Shane Warne ^
Bill O'Reilly
Dennis Lillee
Glenn Mcgrath

England

Sir Jack Hobbs
Sir Leonard Hutton *
Sir Walter Hammond ^
Kevin Pietersen
Denis Compton ^
Sir Ian Botham ^
Allan Knott +
Fred Trueman
Jim Laker
John Snow
Sydney Barnes

kyear2 · 14-10-2012, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harsh.skm

Consensus

We are not too big on that here, now, are we? If we were, we might as well close down the whole forum

George Headley never opened a test innings. When we start forcing people in positions they didn't play regularly or at all (Hutton) to cover other perceived weaknesses and forces as many stars into the team as possible and become too stat driven, this is a team one ends up with. Though Sobers and Worrell actually opened (and together).

Garry Sobers
Frank Worrell
George Headley
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Everton Weekes
Clyde Walcott
Malcolm Marshall
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding
Joel Garner

Unbeatable, but is it right?

14-10-2012, 02:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,563	ATG team from each nation- consensus thread- Aus, Eng, WI So, the other ATG thread is focussing heavily on each nation's greatest test combo. The idea of this thread is to get a decent consensus on the best teams. We'll kick it off with Australia, England and the West Indies. Feel free to converse, nicely, on other teams! Post your best line up here, with a 12th man, for each of the 3 nations. After we've hashed this out, we'll do another one on SA, India and Pakistan.... Here are mine ( I think I've almost settled on these! ).... Australia 1. Bob Simpson 2. Arthur Morris 3. Don Bradman 4. Greg Chappell 5. Victor Trumper 6. Neil Harvey 7. Adam Gilchrist 8. Ray Lindwall 9. Shane Warne 10. Dennis Lillee 11. Glenn McGrath 12th- Keith Miller England 1. Jack Hobbs 2. WG Grace 3. Kumar Ranjitsinhji 4. Wally Hammond 5. Denis Compton 6. Frank Woolley 7. Ian Botham 8. Allan Knott 9. Fred Trueman 10. George Lohmann 11. SF Barnes 12th- Len Hutton WI 1. Gordon Greenidge 2. Desmond Haynes 3. George Headley 4. Brian Lara 5. Viv Richards 6. Garry Sobers 7. Clyde Walcott 8. Malcolm Marshall 9. Michael Holding 10. Curtly Ambrose 11. Lance Gibbs 12th- Frank Worrell Last edited by Monk; 14-10-2012 at 02:05 AM.

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BoyBrumby Englishman Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Doing the stance Posts: 42,613	Gough? Wow, not the way I'd have gone, to put it politely. Thorpey and Ding Dong stretches too, much as I love the former. Or is this a "positional average" XI dealy? __________________ *- As featured in The Independent.* "This is not the time for namby-pamby promising youngsters who might just do something; not the time for building for the future. Pragmatism rules and they don't come more pragmatic than Rogers." - Victor Marks makes the case for stiff-legged and stiff-armed 35 year old left-handers in Ashes squads

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Spooony Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: In a cardboard box Posts: 192	I love Ponting at no 6 when you consider he average 50 compare to Steve Waugh who avg 51.04 at the same position. Even Allen Border avg more than him at 6. Ian Botham at 7 avg 40 where he avg 29 batting one down the order.

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harsh.skm U19 Captain Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: India Posts: 634	Consensus We are not too big on that here, now, are we? If we were, we might as well close down the whole forum Aussie XI: Simpson \| Lawry \| Bradman \| Chappell \| Ponting \| Miller* \| Gilly +\| Warne \| O'Reilly\| Lillee \| McGrath \| Pommie XI: Hobbs \| Sutcliffe \| Hutton* \| Hammond \| Barrington \| Compton \| Knott +\| Trueman \| Snow \| Larwood \| Barnes \| Caribbean XI: Greenidge \| Headley \| Viv \| Lara \| Worrell* \| Sobers \| Dujon +\| Marshall \| Roberts \| Garner \| Ambrose \|

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kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,497	W.I Gordon Greenidge Sir Conrad Hunte George Headley * Sir I.V.A. Richards ^ Brian Lara ^ Sir Garfield Sobers ^ Sir Clyde Walcott + Malcolm Marshall Curtly Ambrose Michael Holding Lance Gibbs Australia Arthur Morris Robert Simpson ^ Sir Donald Bradman * Greg Chappell ^ Allan Border Keith Miller Adam Gilchrist + Shane Warne ^ Bill O'Reilly Dennis Lillee Glenn Mcgrath England Sir Jack Hobbs Sir Leonard Hutton * Sir Walter Hammond ^ Kevin Pietersen Denis Compton ^ Sir Ian Botham ^ Allan Knott + Fred Trueman Jim Laker John Snow Sydney Barnes

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