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    I really do not comprehend how anyone could honestly argue that SA's record in major knockout tournaments is anything near acceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvelocity View Post
    tell me more about these wins in finals
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    Taling about England and choking

    SF - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    SF - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    QF - Choke
    R1
    R1 - Choke
    S8
    QF - Choke
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I really do not comprehend how anyone could honestly argue that SA's record in major knockout tournaments is anything near acceptable.
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    Some over-sensitive souls seem to confuse losing with choking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooony View Post
    Taling about England and choking

    SF - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    SF - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    QF - Choke
    R1
    R1 - Choke
    S8
    QF - Choke
    I think you'll have noticed that England was actually a **** team for most of that time. Also, a hint: trying to defend a team's less-than-stellar record by pouring **** on another's will win you very few friends here.

    Seriously confused at your line of argument, anyway. Are you actually saying that SA's record in knockout tournaments is fine? Despite them having never won a knockout match at the top-flight tournaments since readmission?

    How is this relevant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by uvelocity View Post
    tell me more about these wins in finals
    Ass wellAbidarned said, check mate.

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    Would have won the match easy? That'll be why D/L would've had you losing it even if we ignore the 5 overs you robbed England of? Pull the other one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooony View Post
    Taling about England and choking

    SF - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    SF - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    2nd - Choke
    QF - Choke
    R1
    R1 - Choke
    S8
    QF - Choke
    So out of interest, you think that in the quarter final game against Sri Lanka, England were the stronger side and were set to win until a last minute cock up?

    And you do your own team no justice by bringing it down to the same standard as England in that time, who at least won some knockout games.
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I think you'll have noticed that England was actually a **** team for most of that time. Also, a hint: trying to defend a team's less-than-stellar record by pouring **** on another's will win you very few friends here.

    Seriously confused at your line of argument, anyway. Are you actually saying that SA's record in knockout tournaments is fine? Despite them having never won a knockout match at the top-flight tournaments since readmission?



    How is this relevant?
    Stellar record? South Africa get knocked out its a choke. England get knocked out its not a choke? Tell me how its not relevant. Here everyone want to call Sri Lanka chokers for reaching a final 4 times without winning yet England are in the same boat?

    Yes our records in tournaments are fine cause in 20 years time you can ask anyone who won the 19xx or 20xx WC and everyone will have to run to Cricinfo just to have a look. Ask them who won a test series and they will tell you. You seem to be worried too much about 1 form of cricket and want to go on if its the end of the world. SFW **** happens its sport you lose. We have done **** in one form by only winning one ICC knockout and a couple of triangle tournaments in the sub continent and in Australia as well as at home. But we have won a test series in every country who is a test playing nation since reinstatement to international cricket. Graeme Smith got rid of 3 England captains so far. Currently we have the no 1 test ranking after beating England on their own turf again.

    Please tell me India or Pakistan or Sri Lanka or any sub continent team have they ever came to SA and won a series here? Ever? Let me answer it for you no. But do you see they give a **** about it no. Because just like we have accepted we do not have the best XI or that one star batsman like a Tendulkar, or Ponting, or a Lara or Jayasuriya who single handedly can win a game in ODI for you. We rely on more of a team effort and do our best when we re not branded as favorites or we are written off. Almost like NZ we like to lift ourselves when not expected to. We do that in all the sports Rugby WC 95 is one example.

    A one day game is a one day game. On the day you can win or lose just like a series. Especially if the teams are closely matched. We have just accepted we are not the best at those times. Late 90's specially 1999 to 2007 the Australian team although on their way into a rebuilding stage were head and shoulders above the rest including us. We just played above ourselves to compete with Australia. Everyone seems to forget these

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    SA have risen to #1 ranking in test cricket FIVE times in the last 12 years, but each time surrendered very quickly, will this time be any different? We will see.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by robelinda View Post
    SA have risen to #1 ranking in test cricket FIVE times in the last 12 years, but each time surrendered very quickly, will this time be any different? We will see.....
    I know of only once and we were no where the team we are now and Australia were better than us most of the years. But now we have something other teams do not have that is a extra bowler and batsman in Kallis. We carry that 1 bowler and batsman advantage over the other teams which is of great help. Just hoping AB de Villiers is fit for the test series in Australia. Look like Alvira Peterson might also have a problem so two test batsman is going to make it extra difficult. Ranking is a farce anyway as England achieved it by playing a lot of home games beat Bangladesh away and lost in the UAE. We toppled them at home next up is the toughest test 1st up. Going in as no 1 is not a good thing as we do better being underdogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spooony View Post
    I know of only once and we were no where the team we are now and Australia were better than us most of the years. But now we have something other teams do not have that is a extra bowler and batsman in Kallis. We carry that 1 bowler and batsman advantage over the other teams which is of great help. Just hoping AB de Villiers is fit for the test series in Australia. Look like Alvira Peterson might also have a problem so two test batsman is going to make it extra difficult. Ranking is a farce anyway as England achieved it by playing a lot of home games beat Bangladesh away and lost in the UAE. We toppled them at home next up is the toughest test 1st up. Going in as no 1 is not a good thing as we do better being underdogs.
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    We are talking about major ICC tournaments ffs. Stop bringing up complete irrelevancies.

    I mean, there's a phrase about straws and grasping at them that comes to mind. SA have consistently underperformed at WCs. End of.

    Unless you're suggesting that SA is actually no better than 90s England...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I think you'll have noticed that England was actually a **** team for most of that time. Also, a hint: trying to defend a team's less-than-stellar record by pouring **** on another's will win you very few friends here.

    Seriously confused at your line of argument, anyway. Are you actually saying that SA's record in knockout tournaments is fine? Despite them having never won a knockout match at the top-flight tournaments since readmission?



    How is this relevant?
    Normally I dont really care about this whole choking thing I just laugh at how non Saffers related every loss to a choke. BUT this whole thing that England dont choke is a cop out. This whole "England were ****" line does not wash. Its easy to say that in retrospect but beginning and during these tournaments people werent saying England were ****.

    Before tournament
    Person x says "Ah England have a good bunch of players our record has been great because we won x series in a row - we will have a great tournament.

    After England gets knockout of tournament
    Person x says "Nah England are **** they never had a chance so its not a chance.

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    Actually, my Sensei told me that a choke cuts off your air way whereas a strangle cuts off your blood supply.

    Neither is particularly pleasant, but I've found you black out much faster from a strangle.
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    South Africa has generally had very good teams on paper, with a good core of world class players. England hasn't. What is so difficult to get about it?

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