Greg Chappell vs Ricky Ponting?

[honestbharani]

Have always reckoned that G Chappell was a pretty underrated batsman, at least in these forums.. Whatever I have heard about his batting from his contemporaries is just awesome.. I think he would have been much more recognized but for his career co-inciding with a certain IVA Richards...

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by Monk

The more I consider it, the less I am inclined to include Miller in my all time Australian XI.

At present:

1. Bob Simpson
2. Arthur Morris
3. Don Bradman
4. Greg Chappell
5. Ricky Ponting
6. Neil Harvey
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Shane Warne
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath


Like the combination of three left handers and four right handers in the top 7.
Like the L/R opening combo.
Bowling attack has serious venom, and is relentless.
Chappell and Simpson can both bowl if required.
Chappell and Simpson are probably the greatest slip fielders Australia has had. Ponting and Harvey two of the greatest in the cover/point areas. Bradman a very good cover fieldsman.

I like that XI, though I would give some serious consideration to Davo for Lindwall for some LFM variation.

[kyear2]

Originally Posted by Monk

The more I consider it, the less I am inclined to include Miller in my all time Australian XI.

At present:

1. Bob Simpson
2. Arthur Morris
3. Don Bradman
4. Greg Chappell
5. Ricky Ponting
6. Neil Harvey
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Shane Warne
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Glenn McGrath


Like the combination of three left handers and four right handers in the top 7.
Like the L/R opening combo.
Bowling attack has serious venom, and is relentless.
Chappell and Simpson can both bowl if required.
Chappell and Simpson are probably the greatest slip fielders Australia has had. Ponting and Harvey two of the greatest in the cover/point areas. Bradman a very good cover fieldsman.

As I had mentioned in the other thread, really love this team as I always personally felt that two leg spinners was over kill, that Lindwall was the better bowler than Miller and a quite decent bat and Miller at 5 weakens the batting. Still strange not having him in the team, but hard to get him in with out throwing off the team balance. The ultimate 12th man though.
How insane though is the slip cordon of Simpson, Chappell and Harvey/Ponting to Lindwall, Lillee and Mcgrath.

[stephen]

Originally Posted by kyear2

As I had mentioned in the other thread, really love this team as I always personally felt that two leg spinners was over kill, that Lindwall was the better bowler than Miller and a quite decent bat and Miller at 5 weakens the batting. Still strange not having him in the team, but hard to get him in with out throwing off the team balance. The ultimate 12th man though.
How insane though is the slip cordon of Simpson, Chappell and Harvey/Ponting to Lindwall, Lillee and Mcgrath.

Warne a decent slipper too.

[kyear2]

I think he is a great slipper, but I get shouted down here every time I say that. He is a better fit at third slip and that would allow Ponting and Harvey, two of the greatest fielders ever to roam the covers /gully with Bradman.

[Ikki]

Until 07 would have said that Ponting was the best after Bradman, Australian or otherwise; but he's dropped off somewhat, or enough to probably side slightly with Chappell. But, other than him, I think Ponting should be making All-Time Australian XIs over Border and Waugh.

[kyear2]

Best after Bradman, high praise indeed.
A bit high for me, but definately right up there as one of the big three of his era.

[silentstriker]

Don't think it's that close tbf I would have Waugh over Ponting too (though I think Waugh-Ponting is closer, definitely).

[Monk]

Originally Posted by kyear2

I think he is a great slipper, but I get shouted down here every time I say that. He is a better fit at third slip and that would allow Ponting and Harvey, two of the greatest fielders ever to roam the covers /gully with Bradman.

He's an adequate slipper, decent, but not great. I can recall a few he dropped at 1st that he should have taken.

This one especially!

Shane Warne FAIL, Damien Fleming hat trick- ALMOST! - YouTube

Doesn't get a lot easier at 1st than that...

But yeh, with Simmo at 1st and G.Chappell at 2nd, having Warne at 3rd makes sense because then Ponting can go to point, Harvey to cover and Bradman over to mid wicket probably.

[doesitmatter]

Warne's another famous drop is of KP at oval which led to the quip "Did he drop the Ashes?"

[smalishah84]

haha.....I think I remember something of that sort......cbf looking it up

[Briony]

A lot of critics rate Punter as Australia's best ever after Bradman but I would rate Chappell above him.

Chappell was one of an elite group of players to average over fifty in an era when this was rare and his average would be even higher if they included WSC and the Rest of the World matches which coincided with the banned Saffie tour. Of course he never played tests against Zim. and Bangladesh and only one against SL.

Hadlee has always rated him the best batsman he bowled to.

Would rate him above Border. Border himself does and Chappell moved up to #3 in the early 80s because Border was struggling in that position.

Waugh couldn't be compared with Chappell because he batted down the order and steadfastly refused to face the music up higher.

[CWB304]

Originally Posted by Briony

A lot of critics rate Punter as Australia's best ever after Bradman but I would rate Chappell above him.

Chappell was one of an elite group of players to average over fifty in an era when this was rare and his average would be even higher if they included WSC and the Rest of the World matches which coincided with the banned Saffie tour. Of course he never played tests against Zim. and Bangladesh and only one against SL.

Hadlee has always rated him the best batsman he bowled to.

Would rate him above Border. Border himself does and Chappell moved up to #3 in the early 80s because Border was struggling in that position.

Waugh couldn't be compared with Chappell because he batted down the order and steadfastly refused to face the music up higher.

Good post. Ponting good; Chappell better.

[MrPrez]

Why did I think Ponting had a much higher Test average than 52-odd? I realize it will have gone down over the past few years but I genuinely thought he was a 56-averager and it would have gone down to 55 or 54 at the worst.

Anyway, it was probably Greg going by what I've heard and the fact that Punter is overrated quite a lot. Didn't have to face McGrath, Warne etc.

[Ikki]

Went down a lot. Around 07 Ponting was averaging 60 after 100+ Tests played and it didn't look like slowing down. He had a fairly bad run to say the least for it to drop so low.