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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Exactly. They have decent One-day batsmen in Davy Jacobs and Colin Ingram but they do seem to lack quality longer version batsman and for some time now.

    Last proper 4-day side they would have had was with Mark Rushmere, Kepler Wessels & Dave Callaghan in the batting line-up.

    But think about the number of players they lost to other provinces/international teams before that like Tony Greig, Graeme Pollock, Ken McEwan, Daryll Cullinan etc
    Ingram was really good for them in First Class cricket last season to be fair, has been okay this season too even if he hasn't hit a ton yet (to my knowledge). I'd be surprised if he was ever a Test batsman but I think he's going to be a really good four day cricketer for them which is exactly what they needed in the top order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasimione View Post
    Calvin Savage has been doing really well for the Dolphins. Developing with bat and ball. But it seems the batting allrounders like Kallis, Hall, McMillan are no longer being produced. These type of players were a staple of our teams and they give good balance to teams. the only one i see is David wiese. but i think we need alot more of these type of players.
    Agree with this. You can think far back to now and we've had the likes of Goddard, Barlow, Rice, McMillan, Kallis and all batted in the top 6.

    Besides Wiese that you mention, there is Brett Pelser who is new to the Lions team who seems to be a batting all-rounder. Dominated amateur cricket so interesting to see how he goes. Otherwise the other batsmen who bowl seamers seem more part-timers.

    At the Cubs week there is Shaylen Pillay and Dayyaan Galiem who seem talented batting all-rounders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Ingram was really good for them in First Class cricket last season to be fair, has been okay this season too even if he hasn't hit a ton yet (to my knowledge). I'd be surprised if he was ever a Test batsman but I think he's going to be a really good four day cricketer for them which is exactly what they needed in the top order.
    Agree, he has made his breakthrough at franchise level in the longer version over the lst couple of seasons. The Warriors do need him to score more runs for them.

    Of course I forgot to mention their best longer version player in recent times has been Ashwell Prince.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Ingram was really good for them in First Class cricket last season to be fair, has been okay this season too even if he hasn't hit a ton yet (to my knowledge). I'd be surprised if he was ever a Test batsman but I think he's going to be a really good four day cricketer for them which is exactly what they needed in the top order.
    Sure but other than the mentioned Prince (who I think came through WP), there's been very little batting talent pushing the envelope but as long as I can remember. Ingram is decent but he's in the minority. E.g. Ntini, Tsotsobe, Kemp, Zondeki, Ngam, Parnell, Peterson, Botha have all come through in the past decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by popepouri View Post
    Sure but other than the mentioned Prince (who I think came through WP), there's been very little batting talent pushing the envelope but as long as I can remember. Ingram is decent but he's in the minority. E.g. Ntini, Tsotsobe, Kemp, Zondeki, Ngam, Parnell, Peterson, Botha have all come through in the past decade.
    Prince couldn't get into the EP team due to Kepler, Rushmere, Callaghan etc so made the move to WP. So its a tough one to choose where he came through I suppose.

    Can even add Hayward to that list

    EDIT : Bouch as well if Kemp and Ntini are there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Prince couldn't get into the EP team due to Kepler, Rushmere, Callaghan etc so made the move to WP. So its a tough one to choose where he came through I suppose.
    They were before my time . I remember the days of Mark Benfield, Carl Bradfield and James Bryant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by popepouri View Post
    Sure but other than the mentioned Prince (who I think came through WP), there's been very little batting talent pushing the envelope but as long as I can remember. Ingram is decent but he's in the minority. E.g. Ntini, Tsotsobe, Kemp, Zondeki, Ngam, Parnell, Peterson, Botha have all come through in the past decade.
    Yeah I agree with his overall point; I was just challenging the idea of Ingram being a LO specialist. He's developing into a good First Class cricketer too even if he's too technically limited to ever make a real push for Test honours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeamUp View Post
    Prince couldn't get into the EP team due to Kepler, Rushmere, Callaghan etc so made the move to WP. So its a tough one to choose where he came through I suppose.

    Can even add Hayward to that list

    EDIT : Bouch as well if Kemp and Ntini are there.
    Add Garnett Kruger too.

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    CUBS Week (Player of the Coke Week Dupavillon pulled out with side strain)

    A lot of the players and officials are talking about how high the level of the Cubs Week is this year.

    CSA Yth manager tweeted yesterday

    The Niels Momberg‏@nielspm
    Great first day at CSA CUBS week in Stellenbosch. Wins for Warriors Dolphins and Lions. Good standard.@OfficialCSA Pipelinepumping


    Day 1 (Rain effected)

    WARRIORS 197/7 (Lloyd Brown 44, Jan Frylinck 1/25)
    COBRAS 185 all out (David Bedingham 54, Hayes Van der Berg 28, Clyde Fortuin 27, Ngazibini Sigwili 3/28, Bradley Bopp 3/39)
    Warriors win by 12 runs

    DOLPHINS 151 all out (Prenelan Subrayen 35, Sen Muthusamy 34, Vincent Moore 4/20, Corbin Bosch 3/23)
    TITANS 115 all out (Murray Coetzee 23, Jurie Snyman 20, Sibonelo Makhanya 4/19, Kyle Simmonds 3/22)
    Dolphins win by 36 runs

    LIONS 220/6 (Yaseen Valli 62*, Bradley Dial 36, Sine Ntshona 2/30)
    KNIGHTS 219 all out (Andries Gous 113, Patrick Kruger 34*, Kagiso Rabada 4/52)
    Lions win by 1 run

    Day 2

    LIONS 248 all out (Shaylen Pillay 85, Bradley Dial 56, Kagiso Rabada 40*, Onke Nyaku 3/23, Anrich Nortje 3/46)
    WARRIORS 110 all out (Yaseen Valli 3/31, Shaylen Pillay 2/9)
    Lions win by 138 runs

    COBRAS 271/7 (David Bedingham 84, Hayes Van der Berg 80, Andile Phehlukwayo 2/41)
    DOLPHINS 133 all out (Sen Muthusamy 52, Justin Dill 3/18, Lizaad Williams 2/11)
    Cobras win by 138 runs

    KNIGHTS 267/6 (Vasili Orros 97, Andries Gous 67. Diego Rosier 37, Corbin Bosch 3/67)
    TITANS 250/9 (Jacques Snyman 57, Vincent Moore 31*, Sine Ntshona 4/40)
    Knights win by 17 runs
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    Quote Originally Posted by popepouri View Post
    Add Garnett Kruger too.
    Yeah, there was a period when he was in scintilating form for the Lions where he could have got a few Proteas caps. Pace, bounce but probably just lacked a repetitive action.

    Alviro is obviously also from those parts but moved while a teenager. The road he travelled and adversity he faced to get where he is now is remarkable. That is why his story is often given to the kids at the end of the Cubs Week for who don't make the SA u19 side.

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    Gqamane with a 6-for again to go with his 86. If the 'A' tour to Sri Lanka is still on we should see him there.

    Warriors win by 10 wickets and the Titans are left licking their wounds again. Haven't recieved this sort of treatment for a while. They are missing Rudolph, AB, Faf, Morne, Albie & De Lange but need more players to step up.

    Also quite difficult for a young player to get into their Northerns amateur team even though none of the players are standing out there really. Players like Kaber and Theunis De Bruyn (who played in u19 CWC) should have been involved with amateur side from the beginning of the season but only Kaber has just joined it and De Bruyn yet to get a go.

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    CUBS WEEK

    Day 3

    COBRAS 213/9 (Clyde Fortuin 64, Hanno Kotze 30, Kagiso Rabada 2/31, Shaylen Pillay 2/40)
    LIONS 215/6 (Yaseen Valli 65, Jayden Broodryk 37*, Wesley Coulentianos 36, Bjorn Fortuin 3/33, Jan Frylinck 3/40)
    Lions win by 4 wickets

    TITANS 293/8 (Corbin Bosch 82, Lerato Kgoatle 76, Vincent Moore 44*, Bradley Bopp 3/51)
    WARRIORS 187/9 (Solo Nqweni 64*, Corbin Bosch 3/28)
    Titans win by 106 runs

    KNIGTHS 243/9 (Hanco Olivier 65, Andries Gous 60, Greg Oldfield 4/53)
    DOLPHINS 245/3 (Greg Oldfield 89*, Prenelan Subrayen 71*, Sen Muthusamy 36)
    Dolphins win by 7 wickets
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    Was just thinking back to the 2008 U19 CWC batting line-up and how Jonathan Vandiar hasn't kicked on as much as first hoped.

    Line-up was Pieter Malan, Jon-Jon Smuts, Rilee Rossouw, Reeza Hendricks, Jono Vandiar, Yaseen Vallie, Obus Pienaar & Wayne Parnell. Quite an effort for all 8 to have got to franchise cricket. Rossouw and Hendricks have kicked on the most, particularly for a test spot into the future ito batting.

    But so much was thought of Vandiar. The one-day game seems to suit him more where his aggreessive play seems to be better used. But I remember him scoring a good 60 odd against Steve Harmison and Garnett Kruger in the 4-day stuff as a 16/17 year-old but still only has 2 FC centuries which is a poor return. Seeing a bit of One-day stuff this season and some footage of the 4-day stuff where he sits at first-slip, he really has got over weight...Ray Jennings did say if he got lazy he wouldn't achieve his true potential and it looks like he was right.

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    I remember reading a piece on Vandiar a few years ago, it is unfortunate he is not living up to his potential. From what I have seen and heard, he is extremely naturally talented.

    What is Dominic Hendricks up to now days? I know he is plying his trade for Gauteng, but a few years ago, I was certain he would be a regular for the Lions by now. He absolutely dominated bowlers at the Under 19 World Cup back in 2010, averaging a touch under 100 for the tournament. Looked a great little player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonnench View Post
    I remember reading a piece on Vandiar a few years ago, it is unfortunate he is not living up to his potential. From what I have seen and heard, he is extremely naturally talented.

    What is Dominic Hendricks up to now days? I know he is plying his trade for Gauteng, but a few years ago, I was certain he would be a regular for the Lions by now. He absolutely dominated bowlers at the Under 19 World Cup back in 2010, averaging a touch under 100 for the tournament. Looked a great little player.
    Technically Vandiar isn't the greatest as he doesn't use his feet a lot but that doesn't seem a necessity in todays game anymore seeing some players playing test cricket. He certainly relies on natural talent ,good eye and quick hands. He is still young mind you and will definitely be in the mix for T20 and ODI cricket going forward but needs to find more consistency in all forms.

    The 2010 side we sent was a really average one. Still don't know how we beat Aus and got to QF. I've also found it strange how Hendricks and Hume did so well in that tournament but aren't cricketers that were talked up with any pedigree and seeing them aren't really franchise players. Hendricks did get a few opportunities for the Lions but didn't take them and hasn't really done much for Gauteng either recently. The one player from this group who has come on leaps and bounds though is Cody Chetty at the Dolphins. Really nice player.

    I follow Coke Week and SA u19 and you often know if there is a buzz around a group of players. These players put in performances at both Coke Week (Make SA Schools & Colts side) and Cubs Week. This was the case for the 2008 bunch (Not forgetting Dave Miller just missed out on selection here). This 2012 bunch (ie De Kock, Bowes, Subrayen, Savage, Dry, Nqweni, Williams etc This 2013 bunch who fall in between a WC have it as well and one or two will be eligible for 2014 u19 CWC
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