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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Patel will be picked as a batsman. He's a decent player of spin, and has scored runs consistently in the build-up, plus bowled okay.

    I'm not his biggest fan, but to suggest there's just 5 runs between Monty and Samit is absurd.
    I'd rather pick a batsman if they want an extra batsman not a part timer who is average in both departments. I don't read too much into warm up games.

    Who said anything about 5 runs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFD View Post
    But if people are think Patel is going to thrive, they might be in for shock!
    Well, that's the thing. I'm certainly not expecting Patel to set the world alight, but I think a lot of our bats will struggle, especially Morgan and Bairstow if they play.

    Quote Originally Posted by LFD View Post
    I'd rather neither.

    Anderson, Bresnan, Swann, Bresnan, Monty and KP are six options.
    That leaves such a weak batting line up though. Considering England's problems with the bat in Asia so far in 2012, do you really think weakening the batting is the best idea?
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    This English top three are cornflakes. They're not the most exciting thing out but they're pretty effective. Then the middle order are the sugar. Would be too much on their own but added to the cornflakes they add some much needed interest

    When KP returns he will be the banana..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    That leaves such a weak batting line up though. Considering England's problems with the bat in Asia so far in 2012, do you really think weakening the batting is the best idea?
    I'd have a top six, Prior at seven, then Bresnan, Swann, Anderson, Monty.

    That's if they think the pitch needs two spinners. If not I'd play Broad over Monty.

    England probably won't make massive totals regardless of which batting line up they go with.

    Their strength is their bowling and they need to ensure they bowl the opposition out for as low as possible IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFD View Post
    I'd rather neither.

    Anderson, Bresnan, Swann, Bresnan, Monty and KP are six options.
    That depends on how many times you count Bresnan.

    For the record, I am happy with Patel as a sixth batsman; I still have nightmares when I wake up in a cold sweat having remembered the way Morgan played in the UAE, and Bairstow, whilst probably the best bet in the long term is hardly a sure thing and has no experience in these conditions.

    Patel will play on Thursday, that is a given. The only selection question is Finn/Broad/Onions/Panesar depending on fitness, form and pitch conditions, and I would think Onions is the likely shout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    Am I the only one who would just rather have Patel as a batsmen, regardless of his bowling?
    What, than Monty - of course.

    Well if people who want Monty in over him can base it on them both being bowlers and Monty being the better one, then clearly I can claim they're both batsmen and Patel's the better one so should be picked.
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    I think another critical point that's being ignored here is that Patel's inclusion will reduce the workload on the seamers, allowing them to bowl shorter spells and therefore - hopefully - be more effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFD View Post
    I'd rather pick a batsman if they want an extra batsman not a part timer who is average in both departments. I don't read too much into warm up games.

    Who said anything about 5 runs?
    Not sure, must have imagined it, because it would have been a stupid think for a **** to post.

    Patel was picked in the squad as a batsman, he's done nothing to suggest that was wrong in the warm-ups, and talking about KP as a bowling option is on the same level as talking about Napier* as a batting option.

    He's earned his place, and two seamers are, IMHO, impractical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    I think another critical point that's being ignored here is that Patel's inclusion will reduce the workload on the seamers, allowing them to bowl shorter spells and therefore - hopefully - be more effective.
    The same can be said for Monty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    Patel was picked in the squad as a batsman,
    Which was ridiculous really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFD View Post
    The same can be said for Monty.
    So let me just confirm. If you want Monty to play instead of Patel, are you grouping him in part of a 5 man attack, or a two man attack with two quicks?

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    The question is not who will be more effective out of Panesar and Patel, it is who will be more effective out of Panesar and the third quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cabinet96 View Post
    So let me just confirm. If you want Monty to play instead of Patel, are you grouping him in part of a 5 man attack, or a two man attack with two quicks?
    Two spinners, two quicks - if Monty plays. Let's remember the spinners can bowl a lot of over between them and in emergency you have KP and Trott.

    It would depend on the pitch if I selected Monty, it would have to be pro spinner wicket, otherwise I'd go Broad. I wouldn't start Patel, regardless. One century in a warm up match won't change that or turn him into a good reliable batsman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    The question is not who will be more effective out of Panesar and Patel, it is who will be more effective out of Panesar and the third quick.
    You're probably right, I think it should be the question though.

    I saw on the bbc today 'The Wall' agreed with me, Monty over Patel!

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    The question is not who will be more effective out of Panesar and Patel, it is who will be more effective out of Panesar and the third quick.
    The third quick by light years. Far more effective bowler, more effective batsman, more effective fielder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    The question is not who will be more effective out of Panesar and Patel, it is who will be more effective out of Panesar and the third quick.
    The third quick. By a mile.



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