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    Quote Originally Posted by Arachnodouche View Post
    The point is that your teams come here, get humiliated more often than not, very much like India does when they go outside.The only difference is that Indian fans, at least on this board, bemoan our board's ineptitude and our players' incompetence. I don't recollect reading a single, regularly posting Indian fan here bitching about the pitches in Eng-Aus after those losses.
    Then you need to re-read last years England-India thread, and go back to this one where there were Indian supporters saying the decks in England were "green tops" last year. They weren't.
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    I think you find as biased indian mentioned they have tired to produce more seamer friendly pitches in domestic cricket and matches were lasting 2-3 days. Same thing happened in Sri Lanka and medium pacer bowling 110-120km/h were dominating not the fast bowlers.

    You kind of need dry pitches on SC for games to last five days.

    It is easy to say in practice you need varying pitches, but you can only produce pitches with the conditions available.
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    There's different types of turning pitches though. The SCG was a turner, but that was because it had green grass on it which allowed the ball to grip and rip. It would mean the ball would bounce more. Sub continent pitches just don't have grass, so they're more conducive to off spin bowling because it will keep low and when you're spinning it into the stumps LBW's and bowleds are a big chance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Yeah they should have turning pitches here. That was the great value of Sydney when it used to turn. But the real value if it was you'd go from Sydney to Perth to Adelaide to Melbourne and there would be different tests. That's the point. The fact there's a sameness about a lot of the pitches here now is no good for the game IMO.

    Don't be coming on here suggesting my saying preparing endless pitches like the one for this test makes for **** cricket and leads to no good for the home side is somehow bigotry. It's bull****, even by your standards.
    Was the Sydney pitch turning in the 90's? Because the Australian teams that came over here in '96 and '98 ('01 as well with the exception of S.Waugh and Hayden) were comically inept against spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shankar View Post
    Was the Sydney pitch turning in the 90's? Because the Australian teams that came over here in '96 and '98 ('01 as well with the exception of S.Waugh and Hayden) were comically inept against spin.
    Yes it was. See post above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaminda_00 View Post
    I think you find as biased indian mentioned they have tired to produce more seamer friendly pitches in domestic cricket and matches were lasting 2-3 days. Same thing happened in Sri Lanka and medium pacer bowling 110-120km/h were dominating not the fast bowlers.

    You kind of need dry pitches on SC for games to last five days.

    It is easy to say in practice you need varying pitches, but you can only produce pitches with the conditions available.
    Yeah, it's always the dominant factor. I'd love nothing more than to see Sydney like it was in the 80s and early 90s, but I can't see it happening again for a good while, if ever. But I think out cricket would be better if it did go back to the way it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shankar View Post
    Was the Sydney pitch turning in the 90's? Because the Australian teams that came over here in '96 and '98 ('01 as well with the exception of S.Waugh and Hayden) were comically inept against spin.
    Not as much as the 80s I think. Waugh grew up on it, but iirc Hayden had benefitted from a long session at an academy in India hasn't he, practicing against spinners on your pitches for a few months?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Then you need to re-read last years England-India thread, and go back to this one where there were Indian supporters saying the decks in England were "green tops" last year. They weren't.
    TBF, even if they were green tops, which they absolutely weren't, saying so isn't whining. That's Test cricket. Learn to bat on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Yes it was. See post above.
    When did it start to go off the boil? Was it the mid 90s or a bit later?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    When did it start to go off the boil? Was it the mid 90s or a bit later?
    our only draw in 91 was at sydney
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    When did it start to go off the boil? Was it the mid 90s or a bit later?
    I think there's always been assistance for spin bowlers there, but there's definitely not as much in the past 5 or so years.

    When we had two quality spinners in MacGill and Warne it was almost a given to play both at the SCG.

    I still think the SCG is the best cricket wicket in the world. Has something for seam bowlers, spinners and batsmen and always produces a result, usually on the fifth day.

    Just needs more shade in the O'Reilly stand imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biased indian View Post
    our only draw in 91 was at sydney
    Yeah that was the big Shastri-Tendulkar partnership match wasn't it? Saw two or three days of that game. Brilliant batting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    I think there's always been assistance for spin bowlers there, but there's definitely not as much in the past 5 or so years.

    When we had two quality spinners in MacGill and Warne it was almost a given to play both at the SCG.

    I still think the SCG is the best cricket wicket in the world. Has something for seam bowlers, spinners and batsmen and always produces a result, usually on the fifth day.

    Just needs more shade in the O'Reilly stand imo.
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