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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Wisden names Murali best bowler ever - The Times of India

    Has this list ever been updated by Wisden?
    Murali being top of the Wisden list doesn't surprise me. Most of the ESPN surveys have Murali as No.1, or at least in the top 3, no matter what different angle the statistician is taking. For example;

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    Len Hutton - Jack Hobbs - Ted Dexter - David Gower - Walter Hammond - Frank Woolley - Ian Botham - Alan Knott - Hedley Verity - John Snow - Fred Trueman

    Victor Trumper - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Allan Border - Keith Miller - Adam Gilchrist - Alan Davidson - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee - Glenn McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Murali being top of the Wisden list doesn't surprise me. Most of the ESPN surveys have Murali as No.1, or at least in the top 3, no matter what different angle the statistician is taking. For example;

    It Figures | Cricket Blogs | ESPN Cricinfo

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    Too much emphasis on longevity for my liking. Goddard above Snow, Botham, Tate and Verity is ITSTL.

    And then Larwood is 157 places too low for my liking.

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    and Imran is 8 places too low for my liking
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Too much emphasis on longevity for my liking.
    Yeah mine too at the top end really but if it wasn't like that then Philander would probably be in the top ten. Need to make a more complex equation for how it deals with different amounts of longevity as how I and most other people view it isn't exactly linear.

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    Bill Johnston gets in the spinners list - I mean I appreciate he did bowl a bit of slow left arm but how many wickets did it take - a dozen?

    and then Abdul Qadir doesn't - his methodology doesn't appear totally absurd, but I am struggling to take those lists seriously

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Bill Johnston gets in the spinners list - I mean I appreciate he did bowl a bit of slow left arm but how many wickets did it take - a dozen?

    and then Abdul Qadir doesn't - his methodology doesn't appear totally absurd, but I am struggling to take those lists seriously
    And Kumble coming in as 5th best ever spinner is a bit how's yer father.

    However, I did like his middle era (1920-1969) bowling attack. Shows reasonable taste;

    Trueman - Larwood - Davidson - Grimmett - Bedi

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    maybe you should have told this to us in May DoG

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Donald above Steyn..... RIDICULOUS!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Donald above Steyn..... RIDICULOUS!!
    it's out of date now anyway, pretty sure Steyn would actually be ahead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    It would be interesting to see the most recent version of this list - particularly after you've solved the conundrum of over-weighting longevity.

    I might have mentioned this before, but I'm really surprised by some of the bowlers whose averages ease under standardisation - McGrath in particular taking a bigger hit to his average than many of the great pacemen of the '80s and '90s, despite playing a lot more of his career in what most of us consider a far more batsman-friendly era. He takes a bigger hit than Murali as well, despite Murali playing a far higher percentage of his Tests against the likes of Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

    I've got no issue with Murali at number one, incidentally, but I just find McGrath's numbers a bit of an anomaly.
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    I noticed in those lists Ian Bell is rated above Hashim Amla

    May be time for a tweak
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    I noticed in those lists Ian Bell is rated above Hashim Amla

    May be time for a tweak
    Also saw Bruce Mitchell ahead of Herb Sutcliffe.

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    wrong time to post that list PEWS



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