The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 92

Jager · 03-02-2013, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 8ankitj

Much like how I would respond to, but I didn't. Kyear has this peculiar habit.

Yeah it infuriates me, one of the very few things on forums that get on my nerves.

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Originally Posted by Mike5181

What's a South African all-time XI look like now?

Mine would be...

1. Barry Richards ^
2. Bruce Mitchell
3. Jacques Kallis - 5 ^
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Dudley Nourse
6. Aubrey Faulkner* - 6
7. John Waite +
8. Mike Procter - 1 ^
9. Hugh Tayfield - 4
10. Allan Donald - 2
11. Dale Steyn - 3

Admittedly unsure on who would captain that side - I don't know enough to justify an opinion there. Bowling order could naturally be changed around to anyone's liking too - just as long as Procter's first

Daemon · 03-02-2013, 04:25 AM

I'd have Tahir over Tayfield

Jager · 03-02-2013, 04:51 AM

Jager's favourites 11

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Bob Simpson - 7 ^
3. Neil Harvey ^
4. Jacques Kallis - 6 ^
5. Keith Miller - 3 ^
6. Mike Procter - 2
7. Archie Jackson
8. Richie Benaud* - 5
9. Shane Warne - 4
10. Malcolm Marshall - 1
11. Bob Taylor †

12. Fazal Mahmood
13. Alan Davidson

Mike5181 · 03-02-2013, 05:04 AM

Favourites:

1. Matthew Sinclair
2. Nathan Astle
3. Ricky Ponting
4. Martin Crowe
5. Mark Waugh
6. Adam Gilchrist+
7. Christopher Cairns
8. Shane Warne
9. Brett Lee
10. Shane Bond
11. Dale Steyn

Martyn, Hussey, Kallis, Lara are up there as well.

Jager · 03-02-2013, 05:11 AM

Very modern side, surprised Paddles didn't get in Mikey.

Mike5181 · 03-02-2013, 05:15 AM

Outside some Youtube videos, I haven't seen much of the players before 99ish. Watched quite a lot of Crowe's innings just recently.

kyear2 · 03-02-2013, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager

Please justify what you say about Pollock. It's your opinion FFS, not a fact like you seem to make it out to be.

Shaun Pollock in my estimation was not as good a strike bowler Marshall, Ambrose, Garner or Holding. His high strike rate of over 57 and only 16 five fors in 108 tests says to me he was a very good support bowler and a clear no. 2 to Donald.
Also from watching him bowl he also seemed too often to be in control mode rather than wicket taking mode which especially on the wickets he played on at home wan't quite good enough.

Coronis · 03-02-2013, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager

Yeah it infuriates me, one of the very few things on forums that get on my nerves.

Mine would be...

1. Barry Richards ^
2. Bruce Mitchell
3. Jacques Kallis - 5 ^
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Dudley Nourse
6. Aubrey Faulkner* - 6
7. John Waite +
8. Mike Procter - 1 ^
9. Hugh Tayfield - 4
10. Allan Donald - 2
11. Dale Steyn - 3

Admittedly unsure on who would captain that side - I don't know enough to justify an opinion there. Bowling order could naturally be changed around to anyone's liking too - just as long as Procter's first

Very strong team there, no faults really. Nourse did captain a few after the second war.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

I'd have Tahir over Tayfield

Funniest post I've seen in some time.

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Originally Posted by Jager

Jager's favourites 11

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Bob Simpson - 7 ^
3. Neil Harvey ^
4. Jacques Kallis - 6 ^
5. Keith Miller - 3 ^
6. Mike Procter - 2
7. Archie Jackson
8. Richie Benaud* - 5
9. Shane Warne - 4
10. Malcolm Marshall - 1
11. Bob Taylor †

12. Fazal Mahmood
13. Alan Davidson

Jackson batting at 7?

Anyways, my favourites would probably look something like this.

1. Sid Barnes
2. Herbert Sutcliffe ---- I may be the only one, but, so much

for him.
3. Bill Ponsford
4. Graeme Pollock
5. Shiv Chanderpaul
6. Jacques Kallis
7. Adam Gilchrist
8. Mike Procter
9. Muttiah Muralitharan
10. Clarrie Grimmett
11. Glenn McGrath

12. Sydney Barnes

Breaks my heart to leave out Syd Barnes, but Procter + McGrath is just a dream for me. Cannot go past Grimmett and Murali either, both capable of bowling long spells if needed. (and two of the best stories in cricket!!!) Could possibly, POSSIBLY remove Shiv and add an extra bowler. But, unneeded.

kyear2 · 03-02-2013, 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by watson

Hadlee was not vastly better than Marshall, but I believe him to be significantly better from what I saw on the TV,

In the early 80s he was one of only 2-3 Kiwi batsman who had any idea against Dennis Lillee. I remember the following 50 by Hadlee as if it were yesterday. The team score was 152 all out;

1st Test: Australia v New Zealand at Brisbane, Nov 28-30, 1980 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

Hadlee's and Marshall's record againts Australia are virtually identicle and take away Hadlee's 47 avg vs minnow Sri lanka really isn't much in it between the two as batsmen. Marshall also didn't commit himself as a batsman as he should have and didn't get the most out of his ability. No where as good as good as Imram, but good enough.

fredfertang · 03-02-2013, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kyear2

Hadlee's and Marshall's record againts Australia are virtually identicle and take away Hadlee's 47 avg vs minnow Sri lanka really isn't much in it between the two as batsmen. Marshall also didn't commit himself as a batsman as he should have and didn't get the most out of his ability. No where as good as good as Imram, but good enough.

If Maco hadn't been able to bowl I reckon he'd have been a top class batsman - he could really look the part sometimes, and when he didn't I always got the impression he just wasn't too fussed rather than not good enough

Jager · 03-02-2013, 06:14 AM

@Coronis I knew someone would mention Jackson at 7, I just like the idea of having Procter at 6 batting with Miller. Would be mayhem. Obviously it'd be far smarter to bat Procter at 7 though.

Don't worry, I love Sutcliffe too - opens the batting for my ATG team (the one that ruthlessly wins matches, not the one that I'd enjoy the most).

kyear2 · 03-02-2013, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

If I wanted to bat to eleven:

1 Hobbs
2 Grace
3 Bradman
4 Tendulkar
5 Headley
6 Sobers
7 Gilchrist
8 Imran
9 Benaud
10 Hadlee
11 Marshall

Which is incidentally just straight up my usual team with Benaud in for Murali.

Outside of Sobers, who wil man the slip cordon?

Daemon · 03-02-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager

Jager's favourites 11

1. Jack Hobbs
2. Bob Simpson - 7 ^
3. Neil Harvey ^
4. Jacques Kallis - 6 ^
5. Keith Miller - 3 ^
6. Mike Procter - 2
7. Archie Jackson
8. Richie Benaud* - 5
9. Shane Warne - 4
10. Malcolm Marshall - 1
11. Bob Taylor †

12. Fazal Mahmood
13. Alan Davidson

14. Brad Hodge

kyear2 · 03-02-2013, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager

@Coronis I knew someone would mention Jackson at 7, I just like the idea of having Procter at 6 batting with Miller. Would be mayhem. Obviously it'd be far smarter to bat Procter at 7 though.

Don't worry, I love Sutcliffe too - opens the batting for my ATG team (the one that ruthlessly wins matches, not the one that I'd enjoy the most).

Have you decided on who your fast bowlers are as yet?

Dan · 03-02-2013, 07:03 AM

The XI to appease kyear

1. Bob Simpson (1)
2. Jack Hobbs (Point)
3. Viv Richards (Cover)
4. Greg Chappell (3)
5. Gary Sobers (2)
6. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
7. Ian Botham (4)
8. Richie Benaud (Gully)
9. Malcolm Marshall
10. Dale Steyn (Long Leg)
11. Muttiah Muralitharan (Mid On)

Fielding positions for the first over.

03-02-2013, 04:51 AM	#1368 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Jager's favourites 11 1. Jack Hobbs 2. Bob Simpson - 7 ^ 3. Neil Harvey ^ 4. Jacques Kallis - 6 ^ 5. Keith Miller - 3 ^ 6. Mike Procter - 2 7. Archie Jackson 8. Richie Benaud* - 5 9. Shane Warne - 4 10. Malcolm Marshall - 1 11. Bob Taylor † 12. Fazal Mahmood 13. Alan Davidson Last edited by Jager; 03-02-2013 at 05:32 AM.

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Daemon Cricketer Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: . Posts: 8,752	I'd have Tahir over Tayfield

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Mike5181 International Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: City of Sails Posts: 3,389	Favourites: 1. Matthew Sinclair 2. Nathan Astle 3. Ricky Ponting 4. Martin Crowe 5. Mark Waugh 6. Adam Gilchrist+ 7. Christopher Cairns 8. Shane Warne 9. Brett Lee 10. Shane Bond 11. Dale Steyn Martyn, Hussey, Kallis, Lara are up there as well.

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Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	Very modern side, surprised Paddles didn't get in Mikey.

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Mike5181 International Regular Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: City of Sails Posts: 3,389	Outside some Youtube videos, I haven't seen much of the players before 99ish. Watched quite a lot of Crowe's innings just recently.

03-02-2013, 06:14 AM	#1376 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	@Coronis I knew someone would mention Jackson at 7, I just like the idea of having Procter at 6 batting with Miller. Would be mayhem. Obviously it'd be far smarter to bat Procter at 7 though. Don't worry, I love Sutcliffe too - opens the batting for my ATG team (the one that ruthlessly wins matches, not the one that I'd enjoy the most).

03-02-2013, 07:03 AM	#1380 (permalink)
Dan Global Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 3,078	The XI to appease kyear 1. Bob Simpson (1) 2. Jack Hobbs (Point) 3. Viv Richards (Cover) 4. Greg Chappell (3) 5. Gary Sobers (2) 6. Adam Gilchrist (wk) 7. Ian Botham (4) 8. Richie Benaud (Gully) 9. Malcolm Marshall 10. Dale Steyn (Long Leg) 11. Muttiah Muralitharan (Mid On) Fielding positions for the first over.

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