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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    'would have been' is the operative phrase Coronis.

    Jackson would walk into any ATG team if all the batsman on show were 'would have beens', and that's all he were up against.

    However, batsman like Bob Simpson, Don Bradman, Neil Harvey, Greg Chappell, Allan Border, and Steve Waugh are NOT 'would have been great Test batsman', they ARE great Test batsman by any definition of the word great. And so which one of these gentleman are we too leave out to make way for Jackson? Not on merit mind you, but merely because it takes our fancy?
    Yeah, I understand your point. I was referring to the difference in believing in Archie Jackson and God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Always a bit of romance about those who die young tragically, but there's not a great deal of difference between picking Archie Jackson in an ATG Australian side to picking Barry Richards in an ATG SA side. Jackson played twice as many tests as Richards.
    Barry Richards played 339 FC games, averaged 55, and compiled 80 centuries. This is about 5 times more than Jackson who played only 70 FC games, averaged 46, and compiled 11 centuries. And then the debate goes on from there..........

    (Haven't we been down this road before Monk?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Yeah, I understand your point. I was referring to the difference in believing in Archie Jackson and God
    I agree . The evidence that Archie Jackson is a superior batsman to Don Bradman far out weighs the empirical and philosophical evidence for the existience of the adjective known as 'God'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Best NZ players I've seen (since 99ish):

    1. Mark Richardson
    2. Brendon McCullum
    3. Stephen Fleming
    4. Ross Taylor
    5. Nathan Astle
    6. Jesse Ryder
    7. Chris Cairns
    8. Adam Parore
    9. Daniel Vettori
    10. Tim Southee
    11. Shane Bond
    I know you may hate the guy atm, but you're mad if you're seriously picking Parore ahead of McCullum. Slightly better keeping for considerably poorer batting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    I know you may hate the guy atm, but you're mad if you're seriously picking Parore ahead of McCullum. Slightly better keeping for considerably poorer batting.
    McCullum's my second opener.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    McCullum's my second opener.
    Yeah. McCullum+Parore > McIntosh+McCullum.
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    Sanga has done well but Murali has done better. In my opinion, Murali is simply the best off spinner in history of cricket and I can't make that kind of statement for Sanga.
    Sanga isn't the best off spinner in the history of cricket? News to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    With Miller in the team as the first change pace bowler there is no excuse for not playing both O'Reilly and Warne.

    O'Reilly was comfortably the best and greatest bowler of his generation, and Warne was possibly the best and greatest bowler of his generation. The fact that they are very different leggies with O'Reilly employing a unique grip on the ball to spin it at pace is an added bonus.
    Overall 3 pace bowlers with O'Reilly / Warne is probably the best option for Australia. Both had excellent first innings bowling averages, and both would be dangerous on the first day of the Test. Most off-spinners (left / right arm) tend to struggle in the first innings.

    Another option (possibly belongs in the romantic 11) might be to replace one of the Spinners with Bill Johston as he bowled both pace an spin. Gives you 4 pace bowlers or 2 spinners as required + the left hand variation.

    Wisden - Bill Johnston

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    Johnston is probably the most underrated and overlooked great Aussie bowler.

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    I've gushed over him many times on CW - a wonderful bowler.

    And consider this. Below is a list of Australians who have averaged more than 100 with the bat on a First Class tour of England:

    Bradman, DG
    Johnston, WA

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    According to the Wisden article, the 100+ average was a little contrived, but a lot of fun for those involved.

    Just seamed to me an attack of

    Pace: Lillee, McGrath, Miller, Johnston WA
    Spin: Warne, Johnston WA

    is a bit better balanced than the alternatives

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    So which player was the best combination of Batsman/ All Rounder and Slip Fielder:

    Garry Sobers
    Greg Chappell
    Wally Hammond
    Brian Lara
    Rickey Ponting
    Viv Richards
    Jacques Kallis
    Neil Harvey
    Everton Weekes
    Bobby Simpson
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Clive Lloyd
    Bruce Mitchell
    Allan Border
    Matthew Hayden
    Graeme Pollock

    All Rounders
    Ian Botham
    Keith Miller
    Tony Greig
    Andrew Flintoff
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    So which player was the best combination of Batsman/ All Rounder and Slip Fielder:

    Garry Sobers
    Greg Chappell
    Wally Hammond
    Brian Lara
    Rickey Ponting
    Viv Richards
    Jacques Kallis
    Neil Harvey
    Everton Weekes
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Allan Border
    Matthew Hayden
    Graeme Pollock

    All Rounders
    Ian Botham
    Keith Miller
    Tony Greig
    Andrew Flintoff
    Sobers was unbelievable at leg slip. Clearly his batting and bowling wasn't good enough for him.

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    He was also exceptional at second slip, his slip fielding is greatly under rated and was equally important as his bowling.

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