The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 77

kyear2 · 18-11-2012, 07:23 PM

I personally believe that Gilchrist was a very good keeper and what ever (little) deficientcies he had was more than made up by his batting.

Monk · 18-11-2012, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by NUFAN

Yeah perhaps not too much praise, but whenever anyone wants to put the sell on Gilchrist, its often due to his keeping against Warne and I was merely suggesting that Warne wasn't exactly the hardest spinner to have kept against in the history of Test Cricket. I know keeping to a leggie isn't easy, but you've agreed with my small point, MacGill would have been tougher.

Agree, absolutely. I'd imagine MacGill to be very tough to keep to. Really ripped his leggie, and wasn't as accurate as Warne was.

Dan · 18-11-2012, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Days of Grace

Yeah, I was just thinking that with Botham at no.6 and a tail to follow, a keeper with a 40+ average would be very handy for the England XI.

Ames.

Cabinet96 · 18-11-2012, 10:29 PM

Prior is superb standing back. Has only dropped a couple standing back in the last couple of years and they were both down the leg side. His keeping to Swann isn't as good, and he occasionally misses stumping chances. But overall I'd say he's one of the best in the world at the moment.

Jager · 19-11-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Monk

Ranking is difficult, and kinda pointless (but kinda fun), but FWIW, here's how I rank keepers...

-Godfrey Evans
-Allan Knott
-Bert Oldfield
-Syed Kirmani
-Ian Healy
-Don Tallon

The first four are about equal, then Healy and Tallon slightly below.

What about Bob Taylor? Many say he was slightly above Knott as a pure gloveman.

Monk · 19-11-2012, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jager

What about Bob Taylor? Many say he was slightly above Knott as a pure gloveman.

Really don't know much about him (apart from he was a contemporary of Knott), and haven't seen much footage. If he's as good, or better, than Knotty, he's right up there. I'd take Knott as keeper in my ATG test team every day of the week.

AndyZaltzHair · 20-11-2012, 11:32 AM

A-tribute-to-Players-who-took-part-in-Combat XI

1. Len Hutton
2. Herbert Sutcliffe
3. Bruce Mitchell
4. Maurice Leyland
5. Charles Macartney
6. Keith Miller
7. Bill Edrich
8. Hedley Verity
9. Herbert Strudwick+
10. Ken Farnes
11. Bill Bowes

Eds · 20-11-2012, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rvd619323

Ames.

Yes.

Prince EWS · 20-11-2012, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Eds

Yes.

I think you mean "Yes?"

watson · 20-11-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eds

Yes.

Ames scored plenty of runs against NZ, SA, and the WIs, but averaged only 29.00 (1 century) against Australia. A significant drop from his overall average.

Alan Knott averaged 32.98 (2 centuries) against Australia and 29.23 (1 century) against the West Indies. Probably the best 2 countries of his era.

So I don't think that that Ames is going the rescue the tail of the ATG England team any better than Knott. Plus Knott is very likely to be the better wicket-keeper.

Knott over Ames.

Monk · 08-01-2013, 04:29 PM

Feel like it's time for some discussion (I'm bored as). I'm on a bit of a Lara fan tangent atm, so here is my current ATG team

- Jack Hobbs
- Bill Lawry
- Don Bradman
- Brian Lara
- Viv Richards
- Garry Sobers
- Imran Khan *
- Shane Warne
- Godfrey Evans +
- Malcolm Marshall
- Dennis Lillee

kyear2 · 08-01-2013, 04:35 PM

Apparently Bradman used to say that his ideal ATG should have a L/R hand opening combination, one LH in the middle order, a seam bolwing All Rounder, a wicket keeper who could bat, a fast bolwer to bowl with the wind, a medium fast to bowl into it and a off and a leg (or LH) spinner. with that in mind.

Jack Hobbs
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Brian Lara
Viv Richards
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan
Glenn Mcgrath

Monk · 08-01-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Monk

Feel like it's time for some discussion (I'm bored as). I'm on a bit of a Lara fan tangent atm, so here is my current ATG team

- Jack Hobbs
- Bill Lawry
- Don Bradman
- Brian Lara
- Viv Richards
- Garry Sobers
- Imran Khan *
- Shane Warne
- Godfrey Evans +
- Malcolm Marshall
- Dennis Lillee

I think with this team, the negotiable positions are Lawry, Lara, Imran and Evans. The rest are locked in.

Prince EWS · 08-01-2013, 04:40 PM

I'm probably still picking the same team I was 12-18 months ago. I don't think Lara's done enough in that time to force his way in...

kyear2 · 08-01-2013, 05:14 PM

1 Jack Hobbs
2
3 Don Bradman
4 Viv Richards
5
6 Garry Sobers
7 Adam Gilchrist
8
9 Malcolm Marshall
10 Shane Warne
11

Those are my permanent locked ins.

18-11-2012, 07:23 PM	#1141 (permalink)
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18-11-2012, 10:29 PM	#1144 (permalink)
Cabinet96 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: London, England Posts: 4,100	Prior is superb standing back. Has only dropped a couple standing back in the last couple of years and they were both down the leg side. His keeping to Swann isn't as good, and he occasionally misses stumping chances. But overall I'd say he's one of the best in the world at the moment.

08-01-2013, 04:29 PM	#1151 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,570	Feel like it's time for some discussion (I'm bored as). I'm on a bit of a Lara fan tangent atm, so here is my current ATG team - Jack Hobbs - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Brian Lara - Viv Richards - Garry Sobers - Imran Khan * - Shane Warne - Godfrey Evans + - Malcolm Marshall - Dennis Lillee

08-01-2013, 04:35 PM	#1152 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,502	Apparently Bradman used to say that his ideal ATG should have a L/R hand opening combination, one LH in the middle order, a seam bolwing All Rounder, a wicket keeper who could bat, a fast bolwer to bowl with the wind, a medium fast to bowl into it and a off and a leg (or LH) spinner. with that in mind. Jack Hobbs Arthur Morris Don Bradman Brian Lara Viv Richards Garry Sobers Adam Gilchrist Malcolm Marshall Shane Warne Muttiah Muralitharan Glenn Mcgrath

08-01-2013, 04:40 PM	#1154 (permalink)
Prince EWS Global Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New South Wales Posts: 37,728	I'm probably still picking the same team I was 12-18 months ago. I don't think Lara's done enough in that time to force his way in...

08-01-2013, 05:14 PM	#1155 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,502	1 Jack Hobbs 2 3 Don Bradman 4 Viv Richards 5 6 Garry Sobers 7 Adam Gilchrist 8 9 Malcolm Marshall 10 Shane Warne 11 Those are my permanent locked ins.

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