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  1. 18-11-2012, 07:23 PM #1141
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    I personally believe that Gilchrist was a very good keeper and what ever (little) deficientcies he had was more than made up by his batting.
    1st XI
    Hutton | Hobbs | Bradman* | Richards^ | Tendulkar | Sobers5^ | Gilchrist+ | Khan3 | Marshall1 | Warne4^ | McGrath2
    2nd XI
    Sutcliffe | Gavaskar* | Headley | Chappell^ | Lara^ | Kallis5^ | Knott+ | Hadlee3 | Ambrose2 | Lillee1 | Muralitharan4
    3rd XI
    Greenidge | Richards^ | Ponting^ | Pollock | Hammond^ | Worrell5* | Waite+ | Akram3 | Steyn1 | Holding2 | O'Reilly4
    4th XI
    Morris | Simpson^ | Sangakkara | Weekes^ | Border*^ | Walcott+ | Faulkner5 | Laker4 | Trueman1 | Garner3 | Donald2
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  2. 18-11-2012, 07:29 PM #1142
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Yeah perhaps not too much praise, but whenever anyone wants to put the sell on Gilchrist, its often due to his keeping against Warne and I was merely suggesting that Warne wasn't exactly the hardest spinner to have kept against in the history of Test Cricket. I know keeping to a leggie isn't easy, but you've agreed with my small point, MacGill would have been tougher.
    Agree, absolutely. I'd imagine MacGill to be very tough to keep to. Really ripped his leggie, and wasn't as accurate as Warne was.
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  3. 18-11-2012, 10:07 PM #1143
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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    Yeah, I was just thinking that with Botham at no.6 and a tail to follow, a keeper with a 40+ average would be very handy for the England XI.
    Ames.
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  4. 18-11-2012, 10:29 PM #1144
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    Prior is superb standing back. Has only dropped a couple standing back in the last couple of years and they were both down the leg side. His keeping to Swann isn't as good, and he occasionally misses stumping chances. But overall I'd say he's one of the best in the world at the moment.
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  5. 19-11-2012, 12:01 AM #1145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Ranking is difficult, and kinda pointless (but kinda fun), but FWIW, here's how I rank keepers...

    -Godfrey Evans
    -Allan Knott
    -Bert Oldfield
    -Syed Kirmani
    -Ian Healy
    -Don Tallon

    The first four are about equal, then Healy and Tallon slightly below.
    What about Bob Taylor? Many say he was slightly above Knott as a pure gloveman.
    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick
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  6. 19-11-2012, 01:07 AM #1146
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    What about Bob Taylor? Many say he was slightly above Knott as a pure gloveman.
    Really don't know much about him (apart from he was a contemporary of Knott), and haven't seen much footage. If he's as good, or better, than Knotty, he's right up there. I'd take Knott as keeper in my ATG test team every day of the week.
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  7. 20-11-2012, 11:32 AM #1147
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    A-tribute-to-Players-who-took-part-in-Combat XI

    1. Len Hutton
    2. Herbert Sutcliffe
    3. Bruce Mitchell
    4. Maurice Leyland
    5. Charles Macartney
    6. Keith Miller
    7. Bill Edrich
    8. Hedley Verity
    9. Herbert Strudwick+
    10. Ken Farnes
    11. Bill Bowes
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  8. 20-11-2012, 11:39 AM #1148
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Ames.
    Yes.
    "If that Swann lad is the future of spin bowling in this country, then we're ****ed." - Nasser Hussain, 1997.
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  9. 20-11-2012, 11:44 AM #1149
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eds View Post
    Yes.
    I think you mean "Yes?"
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  10. 20-11-2012, 03:53 PM #1150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eds View Post
    Yes.
    Ames scored plenty of runs against NZ, SA, and the WIs, but averaged only 29.00 (1 century) against Australia. A significant drop from his overall average.

    Alan Knott averaged 32.98 (2 centuries) against Australia and 29.23 (1 century) against the West Indies. Probably the best 2 countries of his era.

    So I don't think that that Ames is going the rescue the tail of the ATG England team any better than Knott. Plus Knott is very likely to be the better wicket-keeper.

    Knott over Ames.
    PRE WWI
    Grace-Trumper-Hill-Taylor-Ranjitsinhji-Faulkner-Noble-Lilley-Turner-Richardson-Barnes
    PRE WWII
    Hobbs-Sutcliffe-Bradman-Hammond-Headley-Macartney-Ames-Gregory-Larwood-O'Reilly-Grimmett
    POST WWII
    Hutton-Simpson-Kanhai-Pollock-Harvey-Sobers-Waite-Benaud-Davidson-Lindwall-Trueman
    PACKER ERA
    Gavaskar-Greenidge-Richards-Chappell-Lloyd-Botham-Imran-Knott-Lillee-Holding-Underwood
    MODERN ERA
    Hayden-Langer-Ponting-Tendulkar-Lara-Kallis-Gilchrist-Marshall-Warne-Ambrose-McGrath
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  11. 08-01-2013, 04:29 PM #1151
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    Feel like it's time for some discussion (I'm bored as). I'm on a bit of a Lara fan tangent atm, so here is my current ATG team


    - Jack Hobbs
    - Bill Lawry
    - Don Bradman
    - Brian Lara
    - Viv Richards
    - Garry Sobers
    - Imran Khan *
    - Shane Warne
    - Godfrey Evans +
    - Malcolm Marshall
    - Dennis Lillee
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  12. 08-01-2013, 04:35 PM #1152
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    Apparently Bradman used to say that his ideal ATG should have a L/R hand opening combination, one LH in the middle order, a seam bolwing All Rounder, a wicket keeper who could bat, a fast bolwer to bowl with the wind, a medium fast to bowl into it and a off and a leg (or LH) spinner. with that in mind.

    Jack Hobbs
    Arthur Morris
    Don Bradman
    Brian Lara
    Viv Richards
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist
    Malcolm Marshall
    Shane Warne
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Glenn Mcgrath
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  13. 08-01-2013, 04:38 PM #1153
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Feel like it's time for some discussion (I'm bored as). I'm on a bit of a Lara fan tangent atm, so here is my current ATG team


    - Jack Hobbs
    - Bill Lawry
    - Don Bradman
    - Brian Lara
    - Viv Richards
    - Garry Sobers
    - Imran Khan *
    - Shane Warne
    - Godfrey Evans +
    - Malcolm Marshall
    - Dennis Lillee
    I think with this team, the negotiable positions are Lawry, Lara, Imran and Evans. The rest are locked in.
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  14. 08-01-2013, 04:40 PM #1154
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    I'm probably still picking the same team I was 12-18 months ago. I don't think Lara's done enough in that time to force his way in...
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  15. 08-01-2013, 05:14 PM #1155
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    1 Jack Hobbs
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    3 Don Bradman
    4 Viv Richards
    5
    6 Garry Sobers
    7 Adam Gilchrist
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    9 Malcolm Marshall
    10 Shane Warne
    11

    Those are my permanent locked ins.
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