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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

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Line and Length said:
Alderman was good but where is Lindwall?
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Good question about Lindwall. If it's in England, Alderman was deadly, but Lindwall wasn't far off him in averages, but a bit behind on SR. Lindwall, Lillee, McGrath and Alderman are the best quicks for English conditions. If the test are in Australia, Alderman might not make the team I guess.

Guys who didn't play enough but were successful in Eng were Ryan Harris and Paul Reiffel.
 
morgieb

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Can we add Thommo or Mitch Johnson if we're only taking peaks?

The 85 Ashes would've been very interesting if Alderman didn't defect.
 
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AUSTRALIA VS ENGLAND (IN AUSTRALIA)

Warner
Hayden
Bradman
Smith
Hussey
Miller
Gilchrist +
CTB Turner
Warne
Lillee
Thomson
McGrath

There are a cluster of pre WW1 bowlers who have really good records but I never know how to judge them in these scenarios. Trumble, Giffen and Turner have very good records. Of the three, Turner most likely deserves a spot. I'd set the parameter at ten tests, but in nine against Eng in Aust tests, Turner took 63 wickets. Once again, I think in these scenarios it's better to look at pre WW1 seperately, basically pre and post Hobbs.


Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Edrich
Hammond
Botham
Knott
Larwood
Tate
Bedser
Underwood

Once again, a number of early era bowlers probably deserve inclusion, Barnes, Peel & Richardson most notably. A few players didn't meet the criteria of ten tests, but were excellent here, notably Vaughan in his 6 tests here. Ali Cook and Boycott were also very good here, but cannot displace Hobbs, Hutton or Sutcliffe.
 
Lillian Thomson

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Red Hill said:
AUSTRALIA VS ENGLAND (IN AUSTRALIA)

Warner
Hayden
Bradman
Smith
Hussey
Miller
Gilchrist +
CTB Turner
Warne
Lillee
Thomson
McGrath

There are a cluster of pre WW1 bowlers who have really good records but I never know how to judge them in these scenarios. Trumble, Giffen and Turner have very good records. Of the three, Turner most likely deserves a spot. I'd set the parameter at ten tests, but in nine against Eng in Aust tests, Turner took 63 wickets. Once again, I think in these scenarios it's better to look at pre WW1 seperately, basically pre and post Hobbs.


Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Edrich
Hammond
Botham
Knott
Larwood
Tate
Bedser
Underwood

Once again, a number of early era bowlers probably deserve inclusion, Barnes, Peel & Richardson most notably. A few players didn't meet the criteria of ten tests, but were excellent here, notably Vaughan in his 6 tests here. Ali Cook and Boycott were also very good here, but cannot displace Hobbs, Hutton or Sutcliffe.
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Australia are playing with 12 men.
 
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Thanks, I'd put Turner in but then couldn't decide what to do with the pre WW1 guys and forgot to remove him.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
An interesting proof-of-concept SA XI:

1. BA Richards /
2. TL Goddard / 3
3. HM Amla /
4. J Kallis / 5
5. RG Pollock /
6. AD Nourse /
7. GC Smith* /
8. AB de Villiers / +
9. HJ Tayfield 4
10. DW Steyn 1
11. AA Donald 2

Ofc not a proper ATG side; just conceptual.

Goddard ridiculously economical and bowled a lot.

Interesting overall; this side isn't going to outright lose many matches.
 
TheJediBrah

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ataraxia said:
An interesting proof-of-concept SA XI:

1. BA Richards /
2. TL Goddard / 3
3. HM Amla /
4. J Kallis / 5
5. RG Pollock /
6. AD Nourse /
7. GC Smith* /
8. AB de Villiers / +
9. HJ Tayfield 4
10. DW Steyn 1
11. AA Donald 2

Ofc not a proper ATG side; just conceptual.

Goddard ridiculously economical and bowled a lot.

Interesting overall; this side isn't going to outright lose many matches.
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Classic South African priorities too

Still can't believe when they needed 8 to win and blocked out the over because they were scared of losing
 
TheJediBrah

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Don't know if I'd call Graeme Smith a particularly quick scorer. He was very suited to opening though. Wasn't Barry Richards a bit of a dasher? Might make sense to swap those 2 in the order
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

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TheJediBrah said:
Don't know if I'd call Graeme Smith a particularly quick scorer. He was very suited to opening though. Wasn't Barry Richards a bit of a dasher? Might make sense to swap those 2 in the order
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Smith strikes at 60 and I want to give Richards a prominent role in the side.
 
Line and Length

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ataraxia - stick with your selection. Barry Richards was one of the truly great openers and no thought should be entertained to having him bat down the order.
 
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