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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Well Mike Denness played for Scotland so he probably counts if you're looking for a cheaty associate option.
    Steve Waugh played for Ireland

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Steve Waugh played for Ireland
    Haha, only as an overseas player though. Mike Denness was actually Scottish.
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    a XI made up of great players who played less that 40 tests

    barry richards
    wg grace (c)
    graeme pollock
    george headley
    dudley nourse
    jack gregory
    jock cameron (wk)
    bill o'reilly
    syd barnes
    shane bond
    clarrie grimmett

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    My all-nation xi :

    1. Hobbs
    2. Gavaskar
    3. Bradman
    4. Sobers
    5. Tikolo
    6. Flower A *
    7. Imran Khan
    8. Shakib al Hasan
    9. Hadlee
    10. Donald
    11. Muralitharan


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    A side of players who played at least one test, but no more than 10.

    1. Richards B
    2. Dempster S
    3. Russell C
    4. Jackson A
    5. Donnelly M
    6. Irvine L *
    7. Procter M
    8. Amar Singh
    9. Appleyard R
    10. Cowie J
    11. Iverson J

    A lot of old-timers in the eleven, which is I guess to be expected.

    Modern players who make the grade will very quickly get into double-figures of matches. A more modern (80s+) era side :

    Arnott, Love, Law, Hodge, Ervine S, de Bruyn, Ashraf Ali *, Dodemaide, Kartik, Gray, Daniel

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    Does anyone have any insight into Lee Irvine's keeping ability? His Cricinfo profile spectacularly unspectacular
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Does anyone have any insight into Lee Irvine's keeping ability? His Cricinfo profile spectacularly unspectacular
    I read somewhere that he was known more for his dashing batting than his wicket keeping abilities. In the only test series against Australia, he played mainly as batsman and Gamsy and Lindsay kept wicket above him in those matches.
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    He played for Essex for two seasons and never kept wicket for them

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    So more of a part-time wicketkeeper then. Shame actually, I was hoping he was a freak with the gloves and I'd just overlooked him all this time.

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    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Barry Richards
    3. Don Bradman
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Gary Sobers
    6. Andy Flower +
    7. Shakib al Hasan
    8. Imran Khan
    9. Richard Hadlee
    10. Bart King
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan

    Could swap Richards for Gavaskar and Pollock for Tendulkar.
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    I think these are the best players from each test nation (Kapil=Tendulkar) in fairly normal positions.


    1. Jack Hobbs (Eng)

    3. Don Bradman (Aus)
    4. Graham Pollock (SA)
    5. Garry Sobers (WI)
    6. Andy Flower (Zim)
    7. Kapil Dev (Ind)
    8. Imran Khan (Pak)
    9. Al Hasan (Ban)
    10. Richard Hadlee (NZ)
    11. Muralitharan (SL)

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    Where does Swann rate out of all the English spinners? Rankings would be great

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    Off the cuff comment, and I don't know that much about him, but strikes me as a bit of a minnow basher after a cursory look at his stats.

    Has been ordinary against Aust and SA, which, in my opinion, would be the big matches for an Englishman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Has been ordinary against Aust and SA, which, in my opinion, would be the big matches for an Englishman.
    Not as a spinner though - in terms of stats anyway - because you'll be playing so many matches in Australia and South Africa. Swann's job there is mainly to keep the pressure on and allow his captain to rotate the quicks, then bowl his team home in the final innings if the conditions present themselves. He's done that very well as a whole really, with match-winning performances against Aus/SA in these matches:

    2nd Test: South Africa v England at Durban, Dec 26-30, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
    2nd Test: Australia v England at Adelaide, Dec 3-7, 2010 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
    5th Test: England v Australia at The Oval, Aug 20-23, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
    2nd Test: England v Australia at Lord's, Jul 16-20, 2009 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo

    Overall I do think it's fair to say he's done his job against those sides on the more difficult wickets for him to bowl on, taking advantage when his role changes. He hasn't been amazing, but I certainly wouldn't think it fair to say he's been "ordinary".

    That said, I definitely wouldn't put him ahead of Laker, Briggs, Underwood or Verity. I'd put him in the next tier down with Rhodes and Lock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Not as a spinner though - in terms of stats anyway - because you'll be playing so many matches in Australia and South Africa. Swann's job there is mainly to keep the pressure on and allow his captain to rotate the quicks, then bowl his team home in the final innings if the conditions present themselves. He's done that very well as a whole really, with match-winning performances against Aus/SA in these matches:

    That said, I definitely wouldn't put him ahead of Laker, Briggs, Underwood or Verity. I'd put him in the next tier down with Rhodes and Lock.
    He's been slightly worse stats wise at home against Aust and SA than he has away. Which is bizarre, but both home and away he's been fairly poor against both teams.

    Agree with your last paragraph.



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