The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 70

smalishah84 · 31-10-2012, 12:29 AM

then Sangers it is

watson · 31-10-2012, 12:56 AM

Keeping aside - who would make the better No.3 as a pure batsman? Sangakkara or Dravid?

Prince EWS · 31-10-2012, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by watson

Keeping aside - who would make the better No.3 as a pure batsman? Sangakkara or Dravid?

Dravid for me at the moment but that's just based on longevity really and Sanga's career is still going. Wouldn't be surprised if I changed my mind by the time Sanga retired.

AndyZaltzHair · 31-10-2012, 01:15 AM

Looks like really a tough choice between Sanga and Dravid. I think somehow both should be included in Asia XI, therefore I stand firmly on my chosen XI.

Satyanash89 · 31-10-2012, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by watson

Keeping aside - who would make the better No.3 as a pure batsman? Sangakkara or Dravid?

Sanga's awesome but just a tad overrated imo. He hasnt really done brilliantly in overseas conditions yet. Dravid's career too had its holes, like his poor record in South Africa, but had numerous stunning, epic performances overseas throughout his career.
Sanga still has a few years left in him so he can definitely end up better, but right now, imo Dravid quite easily

Prince EWS · 31-10-2012, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AndyZaltzHair

Looks like really a tough choice between Sanga and Dravid. I think somehow both should be included in Asia XI, therefore I stand firmly on my chosen XI.

Yep. The reason Sanga doesn't keep for Sri Lanka is the fact that they realise they can get more out of him as a number three batsman. If you're not going to pick him as a number three batsman, or even if you would but recognise that you have someone else of a very similar quality, there is absolutely no reason at all not to give him the gloves and bat him a bit lower.

kyear2 · 31-10-2012, 03:48 AM

Dravid is the better batsman, especially at 3, and Sangakkara, while not quite as good as Gilly was, was a more than competent keeper.

Asian XI

Sunil Gavaskar
Vijay Merchant / Virender Sehwag
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad
Kumar Sangakkara +
Mushtaq Mohammad
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan

Jager · 31-10-2012, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Sangakkara was a very good wicket keeper. Just because he could bat doesn't mean his keeping was poor. Was about as good as Gilchrist with the gloves IMO.

Yeah I am in the wrong here, I actually rate Sanga's keeping as pretty decent, my apologies

would still take Engineer though.

watson · 31-10-2012, 02:39 PM

From 1965 to 1975 Engineer's most common batting position was opener, and he averaged 33.

In four of those years he averaged more than 40 runs against good opposition. Therefore, we can safely say that in the safe haven of No.7 he would have averaged about the same as Sangakkara did while keeping.

Therefore - Probable similar average, attacking batsman, and a better keeper by most accounts - Engineer over Sangakkara for me. But I would still want Sangakkara in the team as the best No.3 batsman.

Kohli_fan · 31-10-2012, 02:44 PM

1 Sunil Gavaskar
2 Matthew Hayden
3 Viv Richards
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Rahul Dravid
6 Brian Lara
7 M S Dhoni
8 Anil Kumble
9 Curtly Ambrose
10 Joel Garner
11 Sreesanth

The Sean · 31-10-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kohli_fan

1 Sunil Gavaskar
2 Matthew Hayden
3 Viv Richards
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Rahul Dravid
6 Brian Lara
7 M S Dhoni
8 Anil Kumble
9 Curtly Ambrose
10 Joel Garner
11 Sreesanth

Your favourite XI?

kyear2 · 31-10-2012, 05:55 PM

Would be even stranger than Jager's if it is.

Monk · 31-10-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Kohli_fan

1 Sunil Gavaskar
2 Matthew Hayden
3 Viv Richards
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Rahul Dravid
6 Brian Lara
7 M S Dhoni
8 Anil Kumble
9 Curtly Ambrose
10 Joel Garner
11 Sreesanth

The Sean · 31-10-2012, 06:40 PM

If it's a personal favourite XI - which it surely must be as it's obviously not a greatest XI - then he's at liberty to choose whoever he likes.

Prince EWS · 31-10-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Sean

If it's a personal favourite XI - which it surely must be as it's obviously not a greatest XI - then he's at liberty to choose whoever he likes.

It was just a straight up troll.

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kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,502	Dravid is the better batsman, especially at 3, and Sangakkara, while not quite as good as Gilly was, was a more than competent keeper. Asian XI Sunil Gavaskar Vijay Merchant / Virender Sehwag Rahul Dravid Sachin Tendulkar Javed Miandad Kumar Sangakkara + Mushtaq Mohammad Imran Khan Wasim Akram Waqar Younis Muttiah Muralitharan __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes Last edited by kyear2; 31-10-2012 at 09:27 AM.

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watson International Debutant Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Sydney Posts: 2,676	From 1965 to 1975 Engineer's most common batting position was opener, and he averaged 33. In four of those years he averaged more than 40 runs against good opposition. Therefore, we can safely say that in the safe haven of No.7 he would have averaged about the same as Sangakkara did while keeping. Therefore - Probable similar average, attacking batsman, and a better keeper by most accounts - Engineer over Sangakkara for me. But I would still want Sangakkara in the team as the best No.3 batsman. Last edited by watson; 31-10-2012 at 02:42 PM.

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