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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Leaving Sobers out. That's a new one.
    Must say I agree. Take away his bowling and he's still IMO the second best batsman of all time.
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    I'm going to go ahead and pick an XI that succeeded routinely in crap conditions (top-class bowling/batting attacks, performance pressure, bad wickets relative to their role):

    Presenting the Adversity XI:

    1. G Boycott (very low standard deviation from his Test average of 48, superb record against Windies)
    2. L Hutton (played a ridiculous amount of tremendous innings on sticky wickets)
    3. RN Harvey (see Hutton)
    4. AR Border (duh)
    5. SR Waugh* (away average is almost 9 runs higher than his home record)
    6. A Flower+ (held an entire minnow nation together for a decade)
    7. N Kapil Dev (played half of matches on dustbowls)
    8. H Verity (bowled on 1930s decks against the likes of Bradman, Ponsford and McCabe)
    9. Wasim Akram (record even better than Kapil's on arguably even flatter home decks)
    10. DK Lillee (recovery from injury and reinvention of self as a bowler)
    11. GD McGrath (no outlier performance against any particular Test nation)

    Honourable mentions go to Gavaskar, Headley, Glenn Turner, Chanderpaul, Hadlee and Imran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy View Post
    I'm going to go ahead and pick an XI that succeeded routinely in crap conditions (top-class bowling/batting attacks, performance pressure, bad wickets relative to their role):

    Presenting the Adversity XI:

    1. G Boycott (very low standard deviation from his Test average of 48, superb record against Windies)
    2. L Hutton (played a ridiculous amount of tremendous innings on sticky wickets)
    3. RN Harvey (see Hutton)
    4. AR Border (duh)
    5. SR Waugh* (away average is almost 9 runs higher than his home record)
    6. A Flower+ (held an entire minnow nation together for a decade)
    7. N Kapil Dev (played half of matches on dustbowls)
    8. H Verity (bowled on 1930s decks against the likes of Bradman, Ponsford and McCabe)
    9. Wasim Akram (record even better than Kapil's on arguably even flatter home decks)
    10. DK Lillee (recovery from injury and reinvention of self as a bowler)
    11. GD McGrath (no outlier performance against any particular Test nation)

    Honourable mentions go to Gavaskar, Headley, Glenn Turner, Chanderpaul, Hadlee and Imran.
    What about George Headley? One of the best with regards to 'sticky wickets'. Not to mention propping up a West Indian team still wet behind the ears.
    Tendulkar - M.Waugh - Ponting - Richards - Dhoni - Bevan - Kapil Dev - Hadlee - Akram - Garner - Muralitharan

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    Dravid perhaps?


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    I know it's popular to leave Bradman out, but surely you'd have him in an adversity XI, because the **** never failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I know it's popular to leave Bradman out, but surely you'd have him in an adversity XI, because the **** never failed.
    Headley's record on bad wickets where the team score is low is significantly better than Bradman's. In other words, Bradman was not overly proficient in rescueing his team when the conditions were bad, and the batting order had subsequently collapsed.

    I'll try and find the analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Dravid perhaps?
    Dravid, NO ......

    Even his name sounds boring and uninspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    What about George Headley? One of the best with regards to 'sticky wickets'. Not to mention propping up a West Indian team still wet behind the ears.
    +1

    I personally belive that Headley is one of the top 5 batsmen of All Time and on par with Sobers/Viv.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Since Barry Richards is in the team then we may as well re-establish the Richards-Pollock partnership to see if they can go one better than their famous Durban knock. Also, Knott is in the side for Tallon because he's just as good at keeping but can bat.

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Barry Richards
    03. Don Bradman
    04. Graeme Pollock
    05. Keith Miller*
    06. Garfield Sobers
    07. Mike Procter
    08. Alan Knott
    09. Alan Davidson
    10. Shane Warnie
    11. Malcolm Marshall

    Ah, that's better. Order in the Universe restored.
    This new trend of playing Miller in the top order of an All Time XI over Tendulkar, Richards, Headley, Hammond and Lara is bordering on rediculous, and that is even before he is placed ahead of Sobers in the batting order. He is not a World Class or even top class batsman, whats the deal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy View Post
    Must say I agree. Take away his bowling and he's still IMO the second best batsman of all time.
    Yeah I'm not big on Sobers's bowling either and I rate Imran a better overall cricketer, but even just on batting alone he surely has to get a gig. The fact that he could bowl a bit is just a handy aside that means you can just pick the six best batsmen (of which he is unquestionably apart) and not have to worry about picking an a mix-and-match allrounder for balance.
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    Here's mine today.....


    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Geoff Boycott
    3. Don Bradman
    4. George Headley
    5. Viv Richards
    6. Garry Sobers
    7. Allan Knott
    8. Wasim Akram
    9. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Shane Warne
    11. Dennis Lillee

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    Partnerships XI
    Jack Hobbs
    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Don Bradman
    Everton Weekes
    Keith Miller
    Clyde Walcott
    Frank Worrell
    Ray Lindwall
    Shane Warne
    Sonny Ramadhin
    Glenn McGrath
    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Since Barry Richards is in the team then we may as well re-establish the Richards-Pollock partnership to see if they can go one better than their famous Durban knock. Also, Knott is in the side for Tallon because he's just as good at keeping but can bat.

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Barry Richards
    03. Don Bradman
    04. Graeme Pollock
    05. Keith Miller*
    06. Garfield Sobers
    07. Mike Procter
    08. Alan Knott
    09. Alan Davidson
    10. Shane Warnie
    11. Malcolm Marshall

    Ah, that's better. Order in the Universe restored.
    FATB for that side! Pretty colours. Would definitely put Tallon in though if I was only allowed one change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    FATB for that side!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Partnerships XI
    Jack Hobbs
    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Don Bradman
    Everton Weekes
    Keith Miller
    Clyde Walcott
    Frank Worrell
    Ray Lindwall
    Shane Warne
    Sonny Ramadhin
    Glenn McGrath
    Slightly different take on the partnerships XI....


    Jack Hobbs
    Herb Sutcliffe
    Don Bradman
    Arthur Morris

    Kumar Sangakkara*
    Mahela Jayawardene
    Keith Miller
    Ray Lindwall

    Dennis Lillee
    Jeff Thomson
    Bishen Bedi
    12th- Chandresaker (sp)



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