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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Eddie Gilbert?
    Only when he could get a "leave pass" from his home town.That was one of the most tragic storiea of Qld Cricket
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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra View Post
    The Yorkshire All Time XI is also immensely strong when one considers that England has 18 domestic teams. Plenty of very big names...

    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Geoff Boycott
    Len Hutton*
    Maurice Leyland
    Darren Lehmann/Stanley Jackson
    George Hirst
    Wilfred Rhodes
    Jonny Bairstow+
    Hedley Verity
    Fred Trueman
    George Freeman/Bill Bowes
    Yorkshire All Time XI
    1- Sutcliffe.
    2- Boycott.
    3- Hutton.
    4- Jackson.
    5- Leyland.
    6- Hirst.
    7- Rhodes.
    8- Verity.
    9- Trueman.
    10-Binks.
    11-Bowes.

    You can,t count Lehmann

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBMAC View Post
    Definitely not over "slammin" Sam.The Fat Cat maybe
    I agree as Trimble was a pretty cool player. Plus his home town of Lismore is quaint enough. I like dropping in there when I'm on my way up to Byron Bay for some R + R.

    During this game he must have made Snow, Lever, Shuttleworth, Illingworth and Underwood look rather ordinary;

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBMAC View Post
    Yorkshire All Time XI
    1- Sutcliffe.
    2- Boycott.
    3- Hutton.
    4- Jackson.
    5- Leyland.
    6- Hirst.
    7- Rhodes.
    8- Verity.
    9- Trueman.
    10-Binks.
    11-Bowes.

    You can,t count Lehmann
    If Jimmy Binks had been born 40 years later he wouldn't have got a game for Yorkshire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doesitmatter View Post
    Bombay(Mumbai) XI ..Batting at its best..bowling if the pitch spins look out..

    Gavaskar
    Merchant
    Hazare
    Tendulkar
    Vengsarkar/Sandeep Patil/Ravi Shastri
    Mankad
    Engineer
    Ajit Agarkar/Ghavri
    Shivalkar
    Zaheer Khan
    Subhash Gupte
    A magnificent XI there
    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

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    My turn.

    World
    Jack Hobbs
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Don Bradman*
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Wally Hammond
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Imran Khan
    Malcolm Marshall
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Sydney Barnes

    Australia
    Victor Trumper
    Bob Simpson
    Don Bradman*
    Greg Chappell
    Ricky Ponting
    Keith Miller
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Ray Lindwall
    Dennis Lillee
    Bill O'Reilly
    Glenn McGrath

    Perhaps Morris at his best was a higher calibre batsman than Simpson. However, Morris was eventually worked out by Bedser and Simpson averaged 56 as an opener. He also brings a couple of other dimensions that Morris lacked with his great slip fielding and occasional leg spin bowling.
    Davidson very unlucky to miss out and perhaps should have been selected.
    O'Reilly over Warne as he was far more successful against the best players of spin of his time (av 25 vs 47)

    Bangladesh
    Tamim Iqbal
    Shahriar Nafees
    Habibul Bashar
    Junaid Siddique
    Rajin Saleh
    Shakib-Al Hasan*
    Mahmudullah Riyad
    Mushfiqur Rahim+
    Mohammed Rafiqie
    Mashrafe Mortaza
    Shahadat Hossain

    Anyone but Ashraful...
    Many would argue Aminul Islam deserves a place but he averaged something like 14 after their first test and was never really a consistently prolific scorer even in the Birmingham league.
    I personally think Nazmul Hossain is a better bowler than Shahadat but he hasn't been given the opportunity to prove himself.

    England
    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton*
    Wally Hammond
    KS Ranjitsinhji
    Ken Barrington
    Ian Botham
    Alan Knott+
    Wilfred Rhodes
    Jim Laker
    Fred Trueman
    Sydney Barnes

    Hutton over Sutcliffe as he prospered against better fast bowlers under a harsher LBW law.
    Barrington/Compton is a marginal one. In the end went for weight of runs over someone with a modest record away from England.

    India
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Vijay Hazare
    Vinoo Mankad*
    Kapil Dev
    Syed Kirmani+
    Amar Singh
    Erapalli Prasanna
    Bhagwat Chandrasekhar

    Really wanted to include Merchant and Bedi. Unfortunately Sehwag has done enough to justify selection and with Mankad a definite pick the team looks better balanced with the variety of a legspinner.

    New Zealand
    Glenn Turner
    Stewie Dempster
    Bert Sutcliffe
    Martin Crowe*
    Martin Donnelly
    Chris Cairns
    Daniel Vettori
    Richard Hadlee
    Ian Smith+
    Shane Bond
    Jack Cowie

    John Reid overrated IMO.

    Pakistan
    Saeed Anwar
    Hanif Mohammad
    Mohammad Yousuf
    Javed Miandad
    Inzamam-ul-Haq
    Imran Khan*
    Wasim Akram
    Saqlain Mushtaq
    Wasim Bari †
    Fazal Mahmood
    Waqar Younis

    Many would select Zaheer Abbas but his record against quality pace bowling is woeful.
    Abdul Qadir is a popular choice but he didn't have the bowling brain to adapt his game to unfamiliar conditions.
    Mohammad Yousuf perhaps out of place at 3 but he is simply a higher calibre batsmen than the alternative options.

    South Africa
    Barry Richards
    Graeme Smith*
    Jacques Kallis
    Graeme Pollock
    Dudley Nourse
    Aubrey Faulkner
    Denis Lindsey+
    Mike Proctor
    Shaun Pollock
    Alan Donald
    Dale Steyn

    Smith/Mitchell and Steyn/Adcock were close ones. Smith selected for his captaincy and toughness, Steyn for being clearly the best bowler in the world.
    Tayfield has to make way for more destructive bowlers. He was a very orthodox bowler who IMO would have been no where near as destructive in the modern era of covered pitches.

    Sri Lanka
    Sanath Jayasuriya
    Tillekeratne Dilshan
    Kumar Sangakkara+
    Aravinda De Silva
    Mahela Jayawardene*
    Roy Dias
    Thilan Samaraweera
    Chaminda Vaas
    Rangana Herath
    Asantha De Mel
    Muttiah Muralitharan

    Atapattu is the popular choice as opener but he was a notoriously bad starter and actually averaged just 32 against the top 8 teams.
    Had difficulty splitting De Mel and Malinga but went for the former as he led the attack.
    Roy Dias was considered one of the most beautiful batsmen in Asia around the time of Sri Lanka's admission to Test cricket and would have scored far more runs in a stronger team.

    West Indies
    Conrad Hunte
    Viv Richards*
    George Headley
    Everton Weekes
    Brian Lara
    Garry Sobers
    Clyde Walcott+
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Curtley Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Some might pick me up on opening with Richards but batsmen 2-5 are simply far higher calibre than any available opener and I'm sure King Viv would have been more than capable of adapting like Sehwag has.
    No point selecting a spinner if you are going to significantly weaken your attack by doing so.
    Tempted to go for Roberts over Garner as the former would bring something different to the attack while the Big Bird is arguably a replica of Ambrose. In the end I resisted the temptation as it was difficult to look past a man with a bowling average of 20.

    Zimbabwe
    Grant Flower
    Kevin Arnott
    Murray Goodwin
    Dave Houghton*
    Andy Flower+
    Alastair Campbell
    Guy Whittall
    Paul Strang
    Andy Blignaut
    Heath Streak
    David Brain

    Taibu feasted on Bangladeshi bowling and his record against top 8 nations is mediocre even by Zim standards.
    Strang and Blignaut over Price and Olonga for their batting.

    The Rest (players not seected for their own countries All Time XI)

    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Arthur Morris
    Neil Harvey
    Denis Compton
    WG Grace
    Frank Worrell*
    Les Ames+
    Alan Davidson
    Shane Warne
    Hedley Verity
    Andy Roberts

    Most of these very unlucky to miss out on their own Countries XI.

    Non Test (players not to play test cricket)
    Jamie Siddons
    John Langridge
    Ken McEwan
    Mahadevan Sathasivam
    Bhausaheb Nimbalkar
    Clive Rice*
    Darren Berry+
    Bart King
    Vincent Van Der Bijl
    Charles Kortwright
    Rajinder Goel

    Siddons - highest ever run scorer in the Sheffield Shield at the time he retired. Langridge - scored more first class centuries than any other non Test player. McEwan - Probably the best South African batsman not to get the opportunity to play Tests Sathasivam - considered by many sound judges to have been the best batsman they had ever seen. Nimbalkar - highest first class innings ever played by a non Test player. Rice - attacking batsman and fast-medium bowler with 48 centuries and 900 wickets in first class cricket. King - legendary American bowling allrounder. One of the first masters of swing bowling and the best player ever from a non Test nation. Van Der Bijl - his first class bowling record compares favourably with all the great Test bowlers of the 70s and 80s. Kortwright - one of the fastest bowlers ever. Goel - leading wicket taker in the Ranji trophy.

    Pre Test (players from before the start of Test cricket)
    Richard Daft
    Robert Carpenter
    William Beldham
    Fuller Pilch
    Thomas Hayward
    George Parr*
    Alfred Mynn
    Ted Pooley+
    George Freeman
    John Jackson
    Fred Lillywhite

    Hayward over Beauclerk as he prospered in a more competitive era.
    Hillyer and Willsher were unlucky to miss out on the bowling slots.
    Caffyn merits consideration as an all rounder but he was a flat track bully who failed dismally on the lethal Lords wicket and his medium pace bowling lacked the penetration of the bowlers selected.

    Walking Wickets (some of the worst batsmen to play Test cricket)
    Mark Dekker
    Imrul Kayes
    Jehan Mubarak
    Saleem Elahi
    Louis Stricker
    John Sparling
    Herbert Strudwick
    Bert Ironmonger
    Jack Saunders
    Pommie Mbangwa
    Chris Martin

    The Fast Men (fast scoring batsmen and very quick bowlers)
    Victor Trumper
    Virender Sehwag
    Don Bradman
    Viv Richards
    Kevin Pietersen
    Adam Gilchrist
    Shahid Afridi
    Gilbert Jessop
    Frank Tyson
    Shoaib Akhtar
    Jeff Thomson

    The Slow Men (stonewallers and tight bowlers)
    Alick Bannerman
    Bruce Edgar
    Chris Tavare
    Mike Brearley
    William Scotton
    Trevor Bailey
    RG Barlow
    Bob Taylor
    Hedley Verity
    Bapu Nadkarni
    Alfred Shaw
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    I lot of work there Zebs. Your World Team is one of the more interesting ones I've seen. I like it.

    Having Vivian Richards open the batting is a little different, and probably one of the better ways of making room for Weekes (or Worrell if inclined) in a middle order that's already necessarily crowded with Headley, Lara, and Sobers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra View Post
    My turn.

    World
    Jack Hobbs
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Don Bradman*
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Wally Hammond
    Garry Sobers
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Imran Khan
    Malcolm Marshall
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Sydney Barnes

    Australia
    Victor Trumper
    Bob Simpson
    Don Bradman*
    Greg Chappell
    Ricky Ponting
    Keith Miller
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Ray Lindwall
    Dennis Lillee
    Bill O'Reilly
    Glenn McGrath

    Perhaps Morris at his best was a higher calibre batsman than Simpson. However, Morris was eventually worked out by Bedser and Simpson averaged 56 as an opener. He also brings a couple of over dimensions that Morris lacked with his great splip fielding and occasional leg spin bowling.
    Davidson very unlucky to miss out and perhaps should have been selected.
    O'Reilly over Warne as he was far more successful against the best players of spin of his time (av 25 vs 47)

    Bangladesh
    Tamim Iqbal
    Shahriar Nafees
    Habibul Bashar
    Junaid Siddique
    Rajin Saleh
    Shakib-Al Hasan*
    Mahmudullah Riyad
    Mushfiqur Rahim+
    Mohammed Rafiqie
    Mashrafe Mortaza
    Shahadat Hossain

    Anyone but Ashraful...
    Many would argue Aminul Islam deserves a place but he averaged something like 14 after their first test and was never really a consistently prolific scorer even in the Birmingham league.
    I personally think Nazmul Hossain is a better bowler than Shahadat but he hasn't been given the opportunity to prove himself.

    England
    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton*
    Wally Hammond
    KS Ranjitsinhji
    Ken Barrington
    Ian Botham
    Alan Knott+
    Wilfred Rhodes
    Jim Laker
    Fred Trueman
    Sydney Barnes

    Hutton over Sutcliffe as he prospered against better fast bowlers under a harsher LBW law.
    Barrington/Compton is a marginal one. In the end went for weight of runs over someone with a modest record away from England.

    India
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Vijay Hazare
    Vinoo Mankad*
    Kapil Dev
    Syed Kirmani+
    Amar Singh
    Erapalli Prasanna
    Bhagwat Chandrasekhar

    Really wanted to include Merchant and Bedi. Unfortunately Sehwag has done enough to justify selection and with Mankad a definite pick the team looks better balanced with the variety of a legspinner.

    New Zealand
    Glenn Turner
    Stewie Dempster
    Bert Sutcliffe
    Martin Crowe*
    Martin Donnelly
    Chris Cairns
    Daniel Vettori
    Richard Hadlee
    Ian Smith+
    Shane Bond
    Jack Cowie

    John Reid overrated IMO.

    Pakistan
    Saeed Anwar
    Hanif Mohammad
    Mohammad Yousuf
    Javed Miandad
    Inzamam-ul-Haq
    Imran Khan*
    Wasim Akram
    Saqlain Mushtaq
    Wasim Bari
    Fazal Mahmood
    Waqar Younis

    Many would select Zaheer Abbas but his record against quality pace bowling is woeful.
    Abdul Qadir is a popular choice but he didn't have the bowling brain to adapt his game to unfamiliar conditions.
    Mohammad Yousuf perhaps out of place at 3 but he is simply a higher calibre batsmen than the alternative options.

    South Africa
    Barry Richards
    Graeme Smith*
    Jacques Kallis
    Graeme Pollock
    Dudley Nourse
    Aubrey Faulkner
    Denis Lindsey+
    Mike Proctor
    Shaun Pollock
    Alan Donald
    Dale Steyn

    Smith/Mitchell and Steyn/Adcock were close ones. Smith selected for his captaincy and toughness, Steyn for being clearly the best bowler in the world.
    Tayfield has to make way for more destructive bowlers. He was a very orthodox bowler who IMO would have been no where near as destructive in the modern era of covered pitches.

    Sri Lanka
    Sanath Jayasuriya
    Tillekeratne Dilshan
    Kumar Sangakkara+
    Aravinda De Silva
    Mahela Jayawardene*
    Roy Dias
    Thilan Samaraweera
    Chaminda Vaas
    Rangana Herath
    Asantha De Mel
    Muttiah Muralitharan

    Atapattu is the popular choice as opener but he was a notoriously bad starter and actually averaged just 32 against the top 8 teams.
    Had difficulty splitting De Mel and Malinga but went for the former as he led the attack.
    Roy Dias was considered one of the most beautiful batsmen in Asia around the time of Sri Lanka's admission to Test cricket and would have scored far more runs in a stronger team.

    West Indies
    Conrad Hunte
    Viv Richards*
    George Headley
    Everton Weekes
    Brian Lara
    Garry Sobers
    Clyde Walcott+
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Curtley Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Some might pick me up on opening with Richards but batsmen 2-5 are simply far higher calibre than any available opener and I'm sure King Viv would have been more than capable of adapting like Sehwag has.
    No point selecting a spinner if you are going to significantly weaken your attack by doing so.
    Tempted to go for Roberts over Garner as the former would bring another dimension to the attack while the Big Bird is arguably a replica of Ambrose. In the end resisted the temptation as was difficult to look past a man with a bowling average of 20.

    Zimbabwe
    Grant Flower
    Kevin Arnott
    Murray Goodwin
    Dave Houghton*
    Andy Flower+
    Alastair Campbell
    Guy Whittall
    Paul Strang
    Andy Blignaut
    Heath Streak
    David Brain

    Taibu feasted on Bangladeshi bowling and his record against top 8 nations is mediocre even by Zim standards.
    Strang and Blignaut over Price and Olonga for their batting

    The Rest (players not seected for their own countries All Time XI)

    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Arthur Morris
    Neil Harvey
    Denis Compton
    WG Grace
    Frank Worrell*
    LEG Ames+
    Alan Davidson
    Shane Warne
    Hedley Verity
    Andy Roberts

    Most of these very unlucky to miss out on their own Countries XI.

    Non Test (players not to play test cricket)
    Jamie Siddons
    John Langridge
    Ken McEwan
    Mahadevan Sathasivam
    Bhausaheb Nimbalkar
    Clive Rice*
    Darren Berry+
    Bart King
    Vincent Van Der Bijl
    Charles Kortwright
    Rajinder Goel

    Pre Test (players from before the start of Test cricket)
    Richard Daft
    Robert Carpenter
    William Beldham
    Fuller Pilch
    Thomas Hayward
    George Parr*
    Alfred Mynn
    Ted Pooley+
    George Freeman
    John Jackson
    Fred Lillywhite

    Hopeless Batsmen (some of the worst batsmen to play Test cricket)
    Mark Dekker
    Imrul Kayes
    Jehan Mubarak
    Saleem Elahi
    Louis Stricker
    John Sparling
    Herbert Strudwick
    Bert Ironmonger
    Jack Saunders
    Pommie Mbangwa
    Chris Martin

    The Fast Men (Fast scoring batsmen and very quick bowlers)
    The Fast Men
    Victor Trumper
    Virender Sehwag
    Don Bradman
    Viv Richards
    Kevin Pietersen
    Adam Gilchrist
    Shahid Afridi
    Gilbert Jessop
    Frank Tyson
    Shoaib Akhtar
    Jeff Thomson

    The Slow Men (stonewallers and tight bowlers
    The Slow Men
    Alick Bannerman
    Bruce Edgar
    Chris Tavare
    Mike Brearley
    William Scotton
    Trevor Bailey
    RG Barlow
    Bob Taylor
    Hedley Verity
    Bapu Nadkarni
    Alfred Shaw

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    I lot of work there Zebs. Your World Team is one of the more interesting ones I've seen. I like it.

    Having Vivian Richards open the batting is a little different, and probably one of the better ways of making room for Weekes (or Worrell if inclined) in a middle order that's already necessarily crowded with Headley, Lara, and Sobers.
    If that's An 'interesting' XI then my world XI must be absolutely ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    If that's An 'interesting' XI then my world XI must be absolutely ridiculous
    I remember Barry Richards batting at No.3. How did it go again?

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    Was it?

    01. Archie Jackson
    02. Victor Trumper
    03. Barry Richards
    04. Keith Miller
    05. Keith Miller
    06. Keith Miller
    07. Don Tallon
    08. Harold Larwood
    09. Harold Larwood
    10. Harold Larwood
    11. Hedley Verity

    Last edited by watson; 24-10-2012 at 04:44 AM.

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    In fairness, if you selected an XI including 4 Keith Millers and 3 Harold Larwoods, you would never lose a game. Ever. Especially given Don Tallon will never miss a chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    In fairness, if you selected an XI including 4 Keith Millers and 3 Harold Larwoods, you would never lose a game. Ever. Especially given Don Tallon will never miss a chance
    Yeah, but I forgot to include Douglas Jardine so they're bound to lose because no one will have the foggiest clue where to stand or what to do. They'll probably all be wandering around aimlessly tripping over stumps and holding the bat at the wrong end. Damn!
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