The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by kyear2

Yes, Mushtaq Mohammad would be a very good option as a good lower order bat and a fifth bowling option which Smali's team lacks.

Yep, maybe my team can be

Hanif
Anwar
Inzy
Javed
Yousuf
Mushtaq M
Imran Khan
Wasim Bari
Wasim Akram
Younis
Saqlain/Qadir/Ajmal

Does seem like a better outfit than the one with Saleem Malik in it

[kyear2]

So Bari over Latif?

[smalishah84]

yes, Bari lasted much longer and was as safe as Latif, if not more. Latif probably the more spectacular one in terms of diving around but I'll be conservative with my team

[Jager]

Originally Posted by smalishah84

Fred, did you watch Imran's older cousin Majid Khan bat? Apparently he was a very very good player of fast bowling. I think he even gets mentioned by either Viv or Colin Croft in Fire in Babylon. How good was Majid?

I think the mention he got was Viv retelling how he had his cheekbone fractured by the WI pace attack

[smalishah84]

yes the mention was in the breaking cheek bone but he got a mention because he was a very good player of pace bowling (along with some others) who got serious injuries (and I think he was talking about WSC at that point was he?). One of the better players of fast bowling from the SC I think.

[Flametree]

pakistan xi :

Hanif Mohammed
Saeed Anwar
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam
Mushtaq Mohammed
Imran Khan
Wasim Akram
Wasim Bari *
Saqlain Mushtaq
Waqar Younis.

Apologies to Fazal Mahmood. Would have no objection to someone going for a lower order of Imran at 6, then Rashid (for the extra batting over Bari), Wasim, Saqlain, Fazal and Waqar. But to me I tend to prefer 3-pace, 2-spin combinations, particularly for sub-continental sides.

Younis Khan not everyone's favourite, but he did score a fair chunk of his runs batting at number 3. Javed, Inzamam, Yousuf, Zaheer.. look at their stats and none of them did well batting there.

[fredfertang]

Originally Posted by smalishah84

Fred, did you watch Imran's older cousin Majid Khan bat? Apparently he was a very very good player of fast bowling. I think he even gets mentioned by either Viv or Colin Croft in Fire in Babylon. How good was Majid?

I used to get to see a lot of Majid batting - in the late 60s he played for Glamorgan, he was Majid Jahinger then, a much more exciting name imo, and BBC Wales often used to televise their matches (the reason we are lucky enough to have a record of Garry Sobers' six sixes in an over), and although, thank God, I didn't live in Wales we were close enough for my Dad to go to the trouble of getting a second TV aerial and pointing it towards Rhyl so we could watch the cricket (which thankfully didn't, unlike most of the bloody programmes, have welsh-speaking commentators)

But I digress - Majid's reputation as a dasher guaranteed a desire to watch Glamorgan bat and he was well worth the effort and, along with my great childhood hero Farokh Engineer, one of the very few sub-continental batsman we got to see. He was a bit short changed at Test level though as he had to open in 1974, and not unnaturally didn't look entirely at home there, and looking it up reminds me that he didn't get many runs in his other Tests in England, but he was a real crowd pleaser at County level, and if you ignore his Tests in England, averaged over 40 in Tests, so he clearly was good enough to make the step up

[hang on]

Originally Posted by fredfertang

I used to get to see a lot of Majid batting - in the late 60s he played for Glamorgan, he was Majid Jahinger then, a much more exciting name imo, and BBC Wales often used to televise their matches (the reason we are lucky enough to have a record of Garry Sobers' six sixes in an over), and although, thank God, I didn't live in Wales we were close enough for my Dad to go to the trouble of getting a second TV aerial and pointing it towards Rhyl so we could watch the cricket (which thankfully didn't, unlike most of the bloody programmes, have welsh-speaking commentators)

But I digress - Majid's reputation as a dasher guaranteed a desire to watch Glamorgan bat and he was well worth the effort and, along with my great childhood hero Farokh Engineer, one of the very few sub-continental batsman we got to see. He was a bit short changed at Test level though as he had to open in 1974, and not unnaturally didn't look entirely at home there, and looking it up reminds me that he didn't get many runs in his other Tests in England, but he was a real crowd pleaser at County level, and if you ignore his Tests in England, averaged over 40 in Tests, so he clearly was good enough to make the step up

lillee spoke highly of majid. in the anecdote about knocking off, or trying to, his trusted cap.


both engineer and khan were highly charismatic blokes, and apparently rather dab hands with the ladies.

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by fredfertang

I used to get to see a lot of Majid batting - in the late 60s he played for Glamorgan, he was Majid Jahinger then, a much more exciting name imo, and BBC Wales often used to televise their matches (the reason we are lucky enough to have a record of Garry Sobers' six sixes in an over), and although, thank God, I didn't live in Wales we were close enough for my Dad to go to the trouble of getting a second TV aerial and pointing it towards Rhyl so we could watch the cricket (which thankfully didn't, unlike most of the bloody programmes, have welsh-speaking commentators)

But I digress - Majid's reputation as a dasher guaranteed a desire to watch Glamorgan bat and he was well worth the effort and, along with my great childhood hero Farokh Engineer, one of the very few sub-continental batsman we got to see. He was a bit short changed at Test level though as he had to open in 1974, and not unnaturally didn't look entirely at home there, and looking it up reminds me that he didn't get many runs in his other Tests in England, but he was a real crowd pleaser at County level, and if you ignore his Tests in England, averaged over 40 in Tests, so he clearly was good enough to make the step up

Could be if he could score a century before lunch I suppose

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by smalishah84

benaud's XI seems much better

Bradman was too mean to use more than one eye.

Interesting he picked Lindwall tho, a bowler who, by his own admission, modelled his action on a chap Sir Donald sought to traduce as a chucker.

[Jager]

Originally Posted by BoyBrumby

Bradman was too mean to use more than one eye.

Interesting he picked Lindwall tho, a bowler who, by his own admission, modelled his action on a chap Sir Donald sought to traduce as a chucker.

Larwood?

[BoyBrumby]

Originally Posted by Jager

Larwood?

Aye.

[Agent Nationaux]

Anwar
Haneef
Younis
Miandad
Inzy
Yousuf
Khan (c)
Latif (wk)
Wasim
Waqar
Saqlain

12th Man
Fazal

[kyear2]

Bobby Simpson
Arthur Morris
Don Bradman
Greg Chappell
Neil Harvey / Allan Border
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Bill O'Reilly / Ray Lindwall
Glenn Mcgrath

Ricky Ponting

[kyear2]

Gordon Greenidge
Conrad Hunte
George Headley
Viv Richards
Brian Lara
Garry Sobers
Clyde Walcott
Malcolm Marshall
Curtly Ambrose
Michael Holding
Lance Gibbs

Everton Weekes
Frank Worrell
Joel Garner