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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Here's an all-time eleven consisting purely of players who played for New South Wales:

    1. Bob Simpson
    2. Victor Trumper
    3. Don Bradman
    4. Neil Harvey
    5. Allan Border
    6. Keith Miller
    7. Adam Gilchrist
    8. Alan Davidson
    9. Ray Lindwall
    10. Bill O'Reilly
    11. Glenn McGrath

    Others: Steve Waugh, Mark Taylor, Arthur Morris, Michael Clarke, Doug Walters, Richie Benaud, Charlie Turner, Monty Noble, Fred Spofforth, Richard Quee Chee etc etc.

    A lot of those guys played for other states as well, and some of them weren't even primarily New South Wales players so I'm basically just pulling my dick, but I thought I'd toss it out there so fellow Blues could do the same.
    In the same vein...
    Eligibility is based upon representing Australia in any form of International, and playing a significant chunk of a career at the state in question.

    South Australian All Time XI
    1. Greg Blewett
    2. Matthew Elliott
    3. Clem Hill
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Ian Chappell *
    6. Darren Lehmann
    7. George Giffen
    8. Barry Jarman +
    9. Jason Gillespie
    10. Neil Hawke
    11. Clarrie Grimmett
    (Shaun Tait)


    Western Australian All Time XI
    1. Bob Simpson *
    2. Justin Langer
    3. Simon Katich
    4. Michael Hussey
    5. Damien Martyn
    6. Adam Gilchrist +
    7. Tom Moody
    8. Bruce Yardley
    9. Dennis Lillee
    10. Garth McKenzie
    11. Bruce Reid
    (Kim Hughes)

    Victorian All Time XI
    1. Bill Woodfull
    2. Bill Ponsford
    3. Dean Jones
    4. Neil Harvey
    5. Lindsay Hassett
    6. Warwick Armstrong
    7. Keith Miller *
    8. Darren Berry +
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Merv Hughes
    11. Bill Johnston
    (Bill Lawry)


    Tasmanian All Time XI
    1. Michael di Venuto
    2. Shane Watson
    3. Ricky Ponting *
    4. David Boon
    5. Jack Badcock
    6. George Bailey
    7. Tim Paine +
    8. Jason Krejza
    9. Colin Miller
    10. Ben Hilfenhaus
    11. Ted McDonald
    (Luke Butterworth)


    Queensland All Time XI
    1. Bill Brown
    2. Matthew Hayden
    3. Martin Love
    4. Peter Burge
    5. Allan Border *
    6. Andrew Symonds
    7. Mitchell Johnson
    8. Don Tallon +
    9. Craig McDermott
    10. Jeff Thomson
    11. Bert Ironmonger
    (Andy Bichel)


    New South Wales All Time XI
    1. Archie Jackson
    2. Victor Trumper
    3. Charlie Macartney
    4. Stan McCabe
    5. Steve Waugh
    6. Monty Noble
    7. Richie Benaud *
    8. Ray Lindwall
    9. Alan Davidson
    10. Bert Oldfield +
    11. Glenn McGrath
    (Bill O'Reilly)


    Overseas Players in Australia
    1. Barry Richards
    2. Murray Goodwin
    3. Rohan Kanhai
    4. Alvin Kallicharan
    5. Garfield Sobers
    6. Andy Flower +
    7. Ian Botham
    8. Imran Khan *
    9. Richard Hadlee
    10. Joel Garner
    11. Michael Holding
    (Shaun Ervine)


    Best of the Rest
    1. Arthur Morris
    2. Richard Chee Quee
    3. Brad Hodge
    4. Mark Waugh
    5. Michael Clarke *
    6. Michael Bevan
    7. Ian Healy +
    8. CTB Turner
    9. Fred Spofforth
    10. Peter Siddle
    11. Stuart MacGill


    I'm doubtless missing plenty of players in a lot of the teams. Tasmania in particular is rather difficult.

    EDIT:
    I intentionally left out Bradman. CBF deciding whether to chuck him in the NSW or SA team, and when it came to decision time I liked their XIs too much to change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    New South Wales All Time XI

    1. Archie Jackson
    2. Victor Trumper
    3. Charlie Macartney
    4. Stan McCabe
    5. Mark Waugh
    6. Keith Miller/Monty Noble
    7. Richie Benaud *
    8. Ray Lindwall
    9. Alan Davidson
    10. Bert Oldfield +
    11. Glenn McGrath
    That's an ass kickin', great to watch combo. Replace S.Waugh with M.Waugh, and Noble with Miller (reluctantly) and I'd pay triple to watch these guys play.

    Quite probably the strongest first class combo ever. Most of those players named are potential players in Australia's ATG 1st or 2nd XI.

    Imagine Trumper and Jackson walking out to open on day 1 a clear Sydney morning, with the thought of Macartney, McCabe, M. Waugh and Miller to come in. Orgasmic for the romantic cricketing appreciator. Viewing could not possibly get better than that.

    And the bowling attack has it all. McGrath. Left arm Davo. Right arm hostility from Lindwall, and wily leg spin from Richie. Plus Miller to get his mojo on and his hair flick happening with the ball, if he feels like it.
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    Did I seriously leave out Bill O'Reilly?

    Glaring oversight, but the NSW team is still quality without him. Who could you leave out?


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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    In the same vein...
    Eligibility is based upon representing Australia in any form of International, and playing a significant chunk of a career at the state in question.

    South Australian All Time XI
    1. Greg Blewett
    2. Matthew Elliott
    3. Clem Hill
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Ian Chappell *
    6. Darren Lehmann
    7. George Giffen
    8. Barry Jarman +
    9. Jason Gillespie
    10. Neil Hawke
    11. Clarrie Grimmett


    Western Australian All Time XI
    1. Bob Simpson *
    2. Justin Langer
    3. Simon Katich
    4. Michael Hussey
    5. Damien Martyn
    6. Adam Gilchrist +
    7. Tom Moody
    8. Brad Hogg
    9. Dennis Lillee
    10. Garth McKenzie
    11. Bruce Reid


    Victorian All Time XI
    1. Bill Lawry
    2. Bill Ponsford
    3. Dean Jones
    4. Neil Harvey
    5. Lindsay Hassett
    6. Warwick Armstrong
    7. Keith Miller *
    8. Darren Berry +
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Merv Hughes
    11. Bill Johnston


    Tasmanian All Time XI
    1. Michael di Venuto
    2. Shane Watson
    3. Ricky Ponting *
    4. David Boon
    5. Jack Badcock
    6. ???
    7. Tim Paine +
    8. Jason Krejza
    9. Colin Miller
    10. Ben Hilfenhaus
    11. Ted McDonald


    Queensland All Time XI
    1. Bill Brown
    2. Matthew Hayden
    3. Martin Love
    4. Peter Burge
    5. Allan Border *
    6. Andrew Symonds
    7. Mitchell Johnson
    8. Don Tallon +
    9. Craig McDermott
    10. Jeff Thomson
    11. Bert Ironmonger


    New South Wales All Time XI
    1. Archie Jackson
    2. Victor Trumper
    3. Charlie Macartney
    4. Stan McCabe
    5. Steve Waugh
    6. Monty Noble
    7. Richie Benaud *
    8. Ray Lindwall
    9. Alan Davidson
    10. Bert Oldfield +
    11. Glenn McGrath


    Overseas Players in Australia
    1. Barry Richards
    2. Murray Goodwin
    3. Rohan Kanhai
    4. Alvin Kallicharan
    5. Garfield Sobers
    6. Andy Flower +
    7. Ian Botham
    8. Imran Khan *
    9. Richard Hadlee
    10. Joel Garner
    11. Michael Holding


    Best of the Rest
    1. Arthur Morris
    2. Richard Chee Quee
    3. Kim Hughes
    4. Mark Waugh
    5. Michael Clarke *
    6. Michael Bevan
    7. Ian Healy +
    8. CTB Turner
    9. Fred Spofforth
    10. Peter Siddle
    11. Stuart MacGill


    I'm doubtless missing plenty of players in a lot of the teams. Tasmania in particular is rather difficult.

    EDIT:
    I intentionally left out Bradman. CBF deciding whether to chuck him in the NSW or SA team, and when it came to decision time I liked their XIs too much to change.
    The first player who looks out of place for me is Brad Hogg. Bruce Yardley the better spinner in the longer format.

    Michael Bevan, Shaun Young and George Bailey have all played for Australia and could fill that 6 spot for Tassie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Did I seriously leave out Bill O'Reilly?

    Glaring oversight, but the NSW team is still quality without him. Who could you leave out?
    It'd be him or Benaud. I'd be happy with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    The first player who looks out of place for me is Brad Hogg. Bruce Yardley the better spinner in the longer format.

    Michael Bevan, Shaun Young and George Bailey have all played for Australia and could fill that 6 spot for Tassie.
    Yeah, originally I didn't have Moody in the XI and had Hogg at 7 for his batting. At 8 it would be nowhere near as important.

    Probably Bailey over Bevan, just because most of Bevan's career was at NSW.

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    Woodfull over Lawry for me for the mighty Vics. O'Reilly's gotta jump into the NSW squad too!
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    Surely there must be a better NSW opener than Archie 'Flash in the Pan' Jackson as well.
    Len Hutton - Jack Hobbs - Ted Dexter - Peter May - Walter Hammond - Frank Woolley - Ian Botham - Alan Knott - Hedley Verity - John Snow - Fred Trueman

    Victor Trumper - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Allan Border - Keith Miller - Adam Gilchrist - Alan Davidson - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee - Glenn McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Surely there must be a better NSW opener than Archie 'Flash in the Pan' Jackson as well.
    I'd hardly call dying of tuberculosis worthy of 'flash in the pan' status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    I'd hardly call dying of tuberculosis worthy of 'flash in the pan' status.
    TB is the unfortunate reason that we will never know how good, or bad, Jackson really was despite the plaudits.

    And sad as that is, it is no reason to select Jackson over another batsman who slogged their guts out over 10-20 years for their team, State, and Country, but didn't get TB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    TB is the unfortunate reason that we will never know how good, or bad, Jackson really was despite the plaudits.

    And sad as that is, it is no reason to select Jackson over another batsman who slogged their guts out over 10-20 years for their team, State, and Country, but didn't get TB.
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    Jackson was a bit spesh. No doubts about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    TB is the unfortunate reason that we will never know how good, or bad, Jackson really was despite the plaudits.

    And sad as that is, it is no reason to select Jackson over another batsman who slogged their guts out over 10-20 years for their team, State, and Country, but didn't get TB.
    Everything I've seen suggests he's right up there with the other dominant batsman of his era, one D.G. Bradman.

    Anyway, the alternatives are one of: Arthur Morris, Michael Slater, Mark Taylor or Richard Chee Quee. I would take Jackson over Morris any day (no offense to Arthur). Slats and Taylor never quite hit the same heights as Jackson, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Everything I've seen suggests he's right up there with the other dominant batsman of his era, one D.G. Bradman.

    Anyway, the alternatives are one of: Arthur Morris, Michael Slater, Mark Taylor or Richard Chee Quee. I would take Jackson over Morris any day (no offense to Arthur). Slats and Taylor never quite hit the same heights as Jackson, IMO.
    I don't understand

    (There is also Warren Bardsley)
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