The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[TheJediBrah]

Can we all just accept that:
1) the pitches in 2014/15 were ****ing flat
2) Kohli's 2nd innings century at Adelaide was the best innings that series from either side, and
3) Just because that pitch was doing a bit for spin by Australian standards, it does not make it a dustbowl minefield a la 2004 Mumbai or 2017 Pune

 

[OverratedSanity]

Haha saying 2014/15 was flat and 2017/18 wasn't. Incredible.

 

[morgieb]

My only point about the pitches was that 14/15 pitches were unusually flat across the country, which made Smith and Kohli's efforts in that series not quite as impressive as Smith's efforts in India 2017, the Ashes 2017/18 and this Ashes.

I was actually talking down Smith if anything.

17/18 Ashes was pretty flat barring the first two Tests, and he didn't score that many runs at Adelaide anyway (Brisbane was different but while it wasn't easy to score runs on, it was also difficult to bowl on...). Very different to this series or (more importantly) the 17 BGT, and not that much different to 14/15 which had footmarks become a factor later in the Adelaide Test and the Brisbane Test had a fair bit of movement in.

 

[ankitj]

Now you deserve whatever sunilz dishes out at you.

 

[Burgey]

Amazing how many people missed Sunilz's point. He was clearly not saying Smith not having 4th innings century makes him a lesser batsman (not at least in the initial post, after that it became hard to follow). He was only saying that you shouldn't **** on a 4th innings hundred because no matter how good you are -- even if you are Smith -- they are hard to come by. Everyone went ultra defensive about Smith rather than addressing the point. Typical Aussie touchiness.

Amazing how he refuses to answer a simple question. Probably because he’s beyond simple himself.

 

[stephen]

Ashes 2017/18 wasn't flat ? This is why Mitch Marsh and Shaun Marsh scored so many runs
The Ashes, 2017/18 Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com

The Gabba test was on a genuinely difficult wicket and England bowled very well. The WACA was a road.

 

[morgieb]

Haha saying 2014/15 was flat and 2017/18 wasn't. Incredible.

The only real difference between the two was Adelaide (Melbourne was if anything even flatter in 14/15, Sydney about the same and Brisbane varied a bit). And that was the Test that Smith (relatively speaking) failed in....

 

[morgieb]

The Gabba test was on a genuinely difficult wicket and England bowled very well. The WACA was a road.

Gabba 17 was slow, not bowler-friendly.

 

[Burgey]

And that became a problem because AUS fans soon got ultra defensive and said runs scored in 2nd innings don't matter, AUS always produces flat tracks for IND, Kohli is closer to Mark Waugh as test batsman .

No, the Mark Waugh point was made after you got sand in your crack and refused to answer a simple question for fear it might mean you conceding a point that Kohli isn’t as good a test player as Smith.

 

[stephen]

Amazing how many people missed Sunilz's point. He was clearly not saying Smith not having 4th innings century makes him a lesser batsman (not at least in the initial post, after that it became hard to follow). He was only saying that you shouldn't **** on a 4th innings hundred because no matter how good you are -- even if you are Smith -- they are hard to come by. Everyone went ultra defensive about Smith rather than addressing the point. Typical Aussie touchiness.

I'm still confused at Sunilz' points. All of them. They all seem to lack a comprehension of cricket nor reality.

When I asked those questions I was genuinely trying to understand how he was using that 4th innings century scored by Kohli against Smith. Like the rest of hiss posts they made no sense.

 

[TheJediBrah]

Haha saying 2014/15 was flat and 2017/18 wasn't. Incredible.

OS you're better than this. Both were "flat" but 2014/15 was "flatter". Is that so hard to understand? Smith's innings in the first Test in Brisbane in 2017 was incredible.

no one said 2017/18 wasn't flat. Reading comprehension people ffs

 

[sunilz]

Amazing how he refuses to answer a simple question. Probably because he’s beyond simple himself.

I am answering you now . Smith is a better test batsman than Kohli .
However Lyon is an inferior spinner to both Jadeja and Ashwin .

 

[ankitj]

I'm still confused at Sunilz' points. All of them. They all seem to lack a comprehension of cricket nor reality.

When I asked those questions I was genuinely trying to understand how he was using that 4th innings century scored by Kohli against Smith. Like the rest of hiss posts they made no sense.

He was not using it against Smith. No need to be so touchy. I don't think even sunilz thinks Kohli is better than Smith. Smith so obviously incredibly great right now that no one can have an opinion otherwise. And no one should feel the need to jump in to defend him.

 

[Burgey]

I am answering you now . Smith is a better test batsman than Kohli .
However Lyon is an inferior spinner to both Jadeja and Ashwin .

Thank you.

Good Cevnoing right here

 

[morgieb]

OS you're better than this. Both were "flat" but 2014/15 was "flatter". Is that so hard to understand? Smith's innings in the first Test in Brisbane in 2017 was incredible.

Every series from about 14/15 to 17/18 was played on roads barring that South Africa series, for the most part.

And while I guess that the 14/15 series was flatter on average, none of those wickets were anywhere near as bad as MCG 17.....

 

[stephen]

It's almost as if the people commenting here didn't watch both series'. 14/15 were the worst roads I've seen in this country. They caused Johnson to retire mid- series ffs.

17-18 had some flat decks but they also had some difficult decks for the batsmen. Smith's century at the Gabba was one of the best centuries of all time.

 

[sunilz]

No, the Mark Waugh point was made after you got sand in your crack and refused to answer a simple question for fear it might mean you conceding a point that Kohli isn’t as good a test player as Smith.

You consider Smith much much better than Kohli . You consider Lyon better than both Ashwin/ Jadeja . You consider AUS pace attack better than IND . And yet your side can't win a test series in Asia . Do you know how much bad it looks for you ?

 

[sunilz]

No, the Mark Waugh point was made after you got sand in your crack and refused to answer a simple question for fear it might mean you conceding a point that Kohli isn’t as good a test player as Smith.

You consider Smith much much better than Kohli . You consider Lyon better than both Ashwin/ Jadeja . You consider AUS pace attack better than IND . And yet your side can't win a test series in Asia . Do you know how much bad it looks for you ?

 

[ankitj]

Id say his 4 ton series against India at home is also worthy of high praise

4 series where he's hit 3+ tons now

Sachin had 0. I know that's harsh coz he mainly played 3 test series but yeah

In contrast, see how none of the Indian posters thought this was a slight on Sachin or felt the need defend Sachin.

Indian posters on this forum >>> Aussie posters. Proved again.

 

[kyear2]

Yeah. I know Sobers was an all rounder too but Smith literally started as a bowling all rounder batting at 8

His record as a top 5 bat is around 75

Sobers didn't start out as an all rounder, he was a specialist spinner also batting at 8. He didn't score his 1st hundred till 3 years after.