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Thread: The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

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    Which bowler would you drop?

    Edit: change made.

    I propose that if/when we run a sim that these teams can be used as the base for selections with what ever changes are recomended.
    Last edited by kyear2; 11-10-2012 at 12:31 AM.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Massive thanks to Monk for recommending that DVD. Jock Cameron's wicketkeeping skills are unbelievable from this footage... keeping to spin, he's throwing the ball back to the bowler and the batsman is still completing his shot!
    Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

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    And he averaged over 30 with the bat. So vote gained then?


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    And he averaged over 30 with the bat. So vote gained then?

    He'll be getting the 3+1 points in my voting system... we'll see about the rest though!


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Australia All Time XI

    Bobby Simpson
    Arthur Morris
    Don Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Alan Border
    Keith Miller
    Adam Gilchrist
    Shane Warne
    Bill O’Reilly
    Dennis Lillee
    Glen Mcgrath

    West Indies XI

    Gordon Greenidge
    Conrad Hunte
    George Headley
    Brian Lara
    Viv Richards
    Garry Sobers
    Clyde Walcott
    Malcolm Marshall
    Curtly Ambrose
    Michael Holding
    Lance Gibbs

    South Africa All Time XI

    Barry Richards
    Graeme Smith
    Jacques Kallis
    Graeme Pollock
    Dudley Nourse
    Aubrey Faulkner
    Shaun Pollock
    Mike Procter
    Jon Waite
    Hugh Tayfield
    Allan Donald

    England All Time XI

    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    Wally Hammond
    Ken Barrington
    Denis Compton
    Ian Botham
    Alan Knott
    Harold Larwood
    Jim Laker
    Fred Trueman
    Sydney Barnes

    Pakistan All Time XI

    Saeed Anwar
    Hanif Mohammad
    Zaheer Abbas
    Javed Miandad
    Inzaman Ul-Haq
    Mohammad Yousuf
    Imran Khan
    Wasim Bari
    Wasim Akram
    Abdul Qadir
    Waqar Younis

    India All Time XI

    Sunil Gavaskar
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Vijay Hazare
    Vinoo Mankad
    Farokh Engineer
    Kapil Dev
    Anil Kumble
    Erapalli Prasanna
    Mohammad Nissar

    Sri Lanka All Time XI

    Marvan Atapattu
    Sanath Jayasuriya
    Kumar Sangakkara
    Aravinda De Silva
    Mahela Jayawardene
    Arjuna Ranatunga
    Prasanna Jayawardene
    Chaminda Vaas
    Rumesh Ratnayake
    Ashantha de Mel
    Muttiah Muralitharan

    New Zealand All Time XI

    Glenn Turner
    Stewie Dempster
    Bert Sutcliffe
    Martin Crowe
    Martin Donnelly
    John Reid
    Richard Hadlee
    Daniel Vettori
    Ian Smith
    Shane Bond
    Jack Cowie

    Best of The Rest XI

    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Vijay Merchant
    Ricky Ponting
    Everton Weekes
    Neil Harvey
    Frank Worrell
    Les Ames
    Ray Lindwall
    Hedley Verity
    Joel Garner
    Dale Steyn

    Lot of time and research using consensus views to assemble these teams. Let me know of proposed changes.
    Wow! Brilliant teams all around, Only disagreements I have are VVS and Trumper for Hazare and Morris. Astoundingly I am in agreement with everyone else. Great job for all the teams.
    Also England (lower)middle order Compton/Botham/Knott is iffy to say the least.

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    West Indies XI is so tough. I'd probably go for something like this.

    Greenidge
    Worrell
    Headley
    Lara
    Richards
    Sobers
    Walcott
    Marshall
    Ambrose
    Holding
    Garner
    "If that Swann lad is the future of spin bowling in this country, then we're ****ed." - Nasser Hussain, 1997.

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    Worrell is temping, and he did open, but it sorta feels like cheating to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L Trumper View Post
    Wow! Brilliant teams all around, Only disagreements I have are VVS and Trumper for Hazare and Morris. Astoundingly I am in agreement with everyone else. Great job for all the teams.
    Also England (lower)middle order Compton/Botham/Knott is iffy to say the least.
    Statistically speaking Trumper was much better in the middle order than opening and Morris was a key opener for the invincibles and offers that rh/lh combination at the top.
    Hazare was a great batsman in his own right and a handy bowler, the only edge that I can see for VVS is in the slip cordon.

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    Just watched an interview with Bradman who said with absolute certainty that Jack Gregory was as fast as the bowlers of today. Great action too, the way he skips to the left of the crease in his delivery stride and slings the ball down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Worrell is temping, and he did open, but it sorta feels like cheating to me.
    Whenever I think about an all-time Windies team I cheat twice (three times if playing Walcott as a keeper counts...) Pick a top-7 of Headley, Lara, Richards, Sobers, Walcott, Weekes, Worrell (in alpha order), then let them draw straws to see who opens...

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    Australia
    1. Bob Simpson
    2. Victor Trumper
    3. Don Bradman
    4. Greg Chappell
    5. Keith Miller*
    6. Allan Border
    7. Don Tallon †
    8. Alan Davidson
    9. Shane Warne
    10. Dennis Lillee
    11. Bill O'Reilly

    12. Glen McGrath

    Notes: The hardest decision of this XI is the two pacemen - with Miller naturally the third and two spinners, it comes down to personal preference. My heart says Lindwall but my brain says that the beating heart of the attack always has to be Lillee, someone who has skyrocketed in my eyes as of late.

    England
    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Herbert Sutcliffe
    3. Len Hutton
    4. Wally Hammond
    5. Denis Compton
    6. Douglas Jardine*
    7. Alan Knott †
    8. Hedley Verity
    9. Harold Larwood
    10. Fred Trueman
    11. Sydney Barnes

    12. Frank Woolley

    Notes: Laker unlucky to miss out... would be a good addition to move the ball the other way to Barnes.

    Pakistan
    1. Saeed Anwar
    2. Hanif Mohammad
    3. Inzamam-ul-Haq
    4. Javed Miandad
    5. Zaheer Abbas
    6. Mohammad Yousuf
    7. Imran Khan*
    8. Wasim Akram
    9. Saqlain Mushtaq
    10. Wasim Bari †
    11. Fazal Mahmood

    12. Waqar Younis

    Notes: Kills me to leave Fazal out. Heart says Fazal. Screw it, he's in. Even though I believe Waqar to be better than Wasim, he misses out for left-arm variation and batting - he brings the same qualities as Wasim anyway. Fazal gives better variation!

    South Africa
    1. Bruce Mitchell
    2. Barry Richards
    3. Jacques Kallis
    4. Graeme Pollock
    5. Dudley Nourse*
    6. Aubrey Faulkner
    7. John Waite †
    8. Mike Procter
    9. Hugh Tayfield
    10. Allan Donald
    11. Dale Steyn

    12. Graeme Smith

    Notes: Tough on Herbie Taylor

    West Indies
    1. Gordon Greenidge
    2. Frank Worrell*
    3. George Headley
    4. Brian Lara
    5. Viv Richards
    6. Garfield Sobers
    7. Jeff Dujon †
    8. Malcolm Marshall
    9. Michael Holding
    10. Curtly Ambrose
    11. Lance Gibbs

    12. Andy Roberts

    Notes: Take your pick from the plethora of quicks available.

    India
    1. Virender Sehwag
    2. Sunil Gavaskar
    3. Rahul Dravid
    4. Sachin Tendulkar
    5. Vijay Hazare
    6. VVS Laxman
    7. Farohk Engineer †
    8. Kapil Dev*
    9. Zaheer Khan
    10. Erapalli Prasanna
    11. Subhash Gupte

    12. Vinoo Mankad

    Notes: The simplest side to select. Mankad as twelfth man to sub in if the four-pronged bowling attack is struggling on a tour, but with Sehwag, Hazare and Tendulkar there are three bowlers to cover for a fifth.

    New Zealand
    1. Glenn Turner
    2. Stewie Dempster
    3. Bert Sutcliffe
    4. Martin Crowe
    5. Martin Donnelly
    6. John Reid
    7. Richard Hadlee
    8. Daniel Vettori
    9. Ian Smith †
    10. Shane Bond
    11. Jack Cowie

    12. Chris Cairns

    Notes: kyear on the money

    Sri Lanka
    1. Marvan Atapattu
    2. Sanath Jayasuriya
    3. Kumar Sangakkara
    4. Aravinda De Silva
    5. Mahela Jayawardene*
    6. Arjuna Ranatunga
    7. Prasanna Jayawardene †
    8. Chaminda Vaas
    9. Rumesh Ratnayake
    10. Ashantha de Mel
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan

    Notes: Weakest bowling lineup by far... I just went for kyear's team.
    Last edited by Jager; 12-10-2012 at 08:34 PM.

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    I'd never have Daniel Vettori in an all-time eleven. His bowling barely challenges test standard batsmen, let alone all-time greats. Chris Cairns would be a better option.

    New Zealand
    1. Glenn Turner
    2. Stewie Dempster
    3. Bert Sutcliffe
    4. Martin Crowe
    5. Martin Donnelly
    6. John Reid
    7. Christopher Cairns
    8. Richard Hadlee
    9. Ian Smith †
    10. Shane Bond
    11. Jack Cowie
    Last edited by Mike5181; 12-10-2012 at 02:16 AM.

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    Stephen Boock, in my opinion anyway, was a much better bowler than his stats suggest so if you wanted an NZ spin option I'd go for him, and indeed Hedley Howarth before Vettori - fine player though the latter is

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Stephen Boock, in my opinion anyway, was a much better bowler than his stats suggest so if you wanted an NZ spin option I'd go for him, and indeed Hedley Howarth before Vettori - fine player though the latter is
    Howarth over Vettori? I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike5181 View Post
    Howarth over Vettori? I don't think so.
    What is your view on Boock?



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