The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread - Page 42

Monk · 01-10-2012, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy

Also, is Arthur Morris a lock-in for an opener's spot? The only truly excellent bowling he faced was from Bedser, Tyson, Laker and Lock and his troubles against the former are heavily documented. Can't see him mixing it with Imran/Wasim/Waqar or the dreaded four prong.

God forbid, but I wouldn't be averse to Hayden being there. Ikki, back me up.

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Originally Posted by Jager

Morris averaged 57 and hit 8 centuries against Bedser.

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Bedser dismissed him a few times, but Morris made a fair few runs against him before being dismissed.

MrPrez · 03-10-2012, 11:59 AM

marc71178 · 03-10-2012, 02:52 PM

Lara > Tendulkar > Ponting > Kallis for mine and I don't give a **** about the stats.

MrPrez · 03-10-2012, 03:12 PM

If you're talking about entertainment value, I agree.

You're not, though. I find the double standards with regards to the judging of players quite annoying. Kallis may have batted slowly, but it was due to his role in the team. He performed his role just as well as any of the others (statistically, better) and to judge him on his SR in Tests is ludicrous at the best of times.

Let's be honest - Kallis doesn't get rated as highly due to the fact that he was deemed "selfish" due to his slow nature. He was in fact the opposite of selfish - he took up the mantra for the good of the team! He has shown, at times, that he can attack as well as any of the aforementioned; the aforementioned just had aggression more integrated with their role in the team.

marc71178 · 03-10-2012, 03:53 PM

No, I'm talking about who I think was the best of the 4 down in order to who I think is the worst - it's based on watching them all over a number of years.

kyear2 · 03-10-2012, 05:23 PM

Lara=Tendulkar>Ponting>Kallis=Dravid.
The top three just a touch above the other two though. And yes the ability to dominate an attack and set the tempo for an innings does count or Barrington would be rated higher than Viv.

Monk · 03-10-2012, 05:44 PM

Sachin is only considered the best because 40 trillion Indians with internet are adamant he is. In reality, you can't split them easily.

MrPrez · 04-10-2012, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

Lara=Tendulkar>Ponting>Kallis=Dravid.
The top three just a touch above the other two though. And yes the ability to dominate an attack and set the tempo for an innings does count or Barrington would be rated higher than Viv.

It's funny that so many people don't realize that Kallis had the ability to dominate an attack. I honestly believe that Kallis has at least as much ability to do so than all but possibly Lara. His role in the team, though, was to be the anchor. In recent years, since the arrival of Amla and de Villiers, Kallis has become more free-flowing - showing that he can do it; it just wasn't in his role description.

Jager · 04-10-2012, 02:56 AM

The idea of this team is to win matches as fast as possible. They can bowl a team out fast and then pile on a huge score quickly.

Sehwag
Trumper
B Richards
V Richards
Hill
Gilchrist
Younis
Steyn
Marshall
Donald
Barnes

Dan · 04-10-2012, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jager

The idea of this team is to win matches as fast as possible. They can bowl a team out fast and then pile on a huge score quickly.

Sehwag
Trumper
B Richards
V Richards
Hill
Gilchrist
Younis
Steyn
Marshall
Donald
Barnes

Interestting idea, but your batting order is all wrong

Sehwag
Richards
Hill
Richards
Trumper
Miller
Gilchrist
Marshall
Younis
Bond
Barnes

smalishah84 · 04-10-2012, 06:08 AM

in ATG team his tail starts at 7

kyear2 · 04-10-2012, 05:09 PM

Top Ten Batsman

Don Bradman
George Headley
Jack Hobbs
Garry Sobers
Viv Richards
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Greg Chappell
Wally Hammond
Graeme Pollock

Monk · 04-10-2012, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jager

The idea of this team is to win matches as fast as possible. They can bowl a team out fast and then pile on a huge score quickly.

Sehwag
Trumper
B Richards
V Richards
Hill
Gilchrist
Younis
Steyn
Marshall
Donald
Barnes

I'd still have Bradman. Was a very quick scorer.

V. Sehwag
B. Richards
V. Richards
D. Bradman
V. Trumper
A. Gilchrist
K. Miller
M. Marshall
D. Steyn
W. Younis
SF. Barnes

kyear2 · 04-10-2012, 05:22 PM

Since I am at it

Top 10 Bowlers

Malcolm Marshall
Glenn Mcgrath
Curtly Ambrose
Dennis Lillee
Ray Lindwall
Imran Khan
Fred Trueman
Michael Holding
Wasim Akram
Richard Hadlee

Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan
Bill O'Reilly
Jim Laker
Clarrie Grimmett
Hedley Verity
Anil Kumble
Richie Benaud
Erapalli Prasanna
Lance Gibbs

JBMAC · 04-10-2012, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kyear2

Since I am at it

Top 10 Bowlers

Malcolm Marshall
Glenn Mcgrath
Curtly Ambrose
Dennis Lillee
Ray Lindwall
Imran Khan
Fred Trueman
Michael Holding
Wasim Akram
Richard Hadlee

Shane Warne
Muttiah Muralitharan
Bill O'Reilly
Jim Laker
Clarrie Grimmett
Hedley Verity
Anil Kumble
Richie Benaud
Erapalli Prasanna
Lance Gibbs

Bit rough leaving out Bishen Bedi in that bottom lot

03-10-2012, 11:59 AM	#617 (permalink)
MrPrez First Class Debutant Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Africa Posts: 899	Big can of worms here: Sachin Tendulkar \| India Cricket \| Cricket Players and Officials \| ESPN Cricinfo Ricky Ponting \| Australia Cricket \| Cricket Players and Officials \| ESPN Cricinfo Jacques Kallis \| South Africa Cricket \| Cricket Players and Officials \| ESPN Cricinfo Brian Lara \| West Indies Cricket \| Cricket Players and Officials \| ESPN Cricinfo Is SRT really the best of the 4, and Kallis the worst given the stats? __________________ @CowsCorner - 151 followers and counting! Check out the blog too: http://cowscorner.wordpress.com Latest Blog post: Kallis – The Unsung Hero (Inspired by a debate right here on cricketweb!)

03-10-2012, 02:52 PM	#618 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	Lara > Tendulkar > Ponting > Kallis for mine and I don't give a **** about the stats. __________________ marc71178 - President and founding member of AAAS - we don't only appreciate when he does well, but also when he's not quite so good! Anyone want to join the Society? Beware the evils of Kit-Kats - they're immoral apparently.

03-10-2012, 05:23 PM	#621 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,506	Lara=Tendulkar>Ponting>Kallis=Dravid. The top three just a touch above the other two though. And yes the ability to dominate an attack and set the tempo for an innings does count or Barrington would be rated higher than Viv. __________________ 1st XI Hutton \| Hobbs \| Bradman \| Richards \| Tendulkar \| Sobers \| Gilchrist \| Khan \| Marshall \| Warne \| McGrath 2nd XI Sutcliffe \| Gavaskar \| Headley \| Chappell \| Lara \| Kallis \| Miller \| Knott \| Ambrose \| Lillee \| Muralitharan 3rd XI Greenidge \| Morris \| Ponting \| Pollock \| Hammond \| Worrell \| Ames \| Hadlee \| Holding \| Trueman \| O'Reilly 4th XI Richards \| Simpson \| Sangakkara \| Weekes \| Border \| Walcott \| Botham \| Lindwall \| Laker \| Garner \| Barnes Last edited by kyear2; 03-10-2012 at 06:45 PM.

03-10-2012, 05:44 PM	#622 (permalink)
Monk International Debutant Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 2,575	Sachin is only considered the best because 40 trillion Indians with internet are adamant he is. In reality, you can't split them easily. Last edited by Monk; 03-10-2012 at 09:46 PM.

04-10-2012, 02:56 AM	#624 (permalink)
Jager International Debutant Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The land of Siddle Posts: 2,876	The idea of this team is to win matches as fast as possible. They can bowl a team out fast and then pile on a huge score quickly. Sehwag Trumper B Richards V Richards Hill Gilchrist Younis Steyn Marshall Donald Barnes __________________ Oh for a strong arm and a walking stick

03-10-2012, 03:12 PM	#619 (permalink)
MrPrez First Class Debutant Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: South Africa Posts: 899	If you're talking about entertainment value, I agree. You're not, though. I find the double standards with regards to the judging of players quite annoying. Kallis may have batted slowly, but it was due to his role in the team. He performed his role just as well as any of the others (statistically, better) and to judge him on his SR in Tests is ludicrous at the best of times. Let's be honest - Kallis doesn't get rated as highly due to the fact that he was deemed "selfish" due to his slow nature. He was in fact the opposite of selfish - he took up the mantra for the good of the team! He has shown, at times, that he can attack as well as any of the aforementioned; the aforementioned just had aggression more integrated with their role in the team.

03-10-2012, 03:53 PM	#620 (permalink)
marc71178 Eyes not spreadsheets Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: England Posts: 56,346	No, I'm talking about who I think was the best of the 4 down in order to who I think is the worst - it's based on watching them all over a number of years.

04-10-2012, 06:08 AM	#626 (permalink)
smalishah84 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: dxb Posts: 18,862	in ATG team his tail starts at 7 __________________ And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW Yeah we don't crap in the first world; most of us would actually have no idea what that was emanating from Ajmal's backside. Why isn't it roses and rainbows like what happens here? PEWS's retort to Ganeshran on Daemon's picture depicting Ajmal's excreta

04-10-2012, 05:09 PM	#627 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,506	Top Ten Batsman Don Bradman George Headley Jack Hobbs Garry Sobers Viv Richards Sachin Tendulkar Brian Lara Greg Chappell Wally Hammond Graeme Pollock

04-10-2012, 05:22 PM	#629 (permalink)
kyear2 International Debutant Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: w.i Posts: 2,506	Since I am at it Top 10 Bowlers Malcolm Marshall Glenn Mcgrath Curtly Ambrose Dennis Lillee Ray Lindwall Imran Khan Fred Trueman Michael Holding Wasim Akram Richard Hadlee Shane Warne Muttiah Muralitharan Bill O'Reilly Jim Laker Clarrie Grimmett Hedley Verity Anil Kumble Richie Benaud Erapalli Prasanna Lance Gibbs

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