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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy View Post
    Also, is Arthur Morris a lock-in for an opener's spot? The only truly excellent bowling he faced was from Bedser, Tyson, Laker and Lock and his troubles against the former are heavily documented. Can't see him mixing it with Imran/Wasim/Waqar or the dreaded four prong.

    God forbid, but I wouldn't be averse to Hayden being there. Ikki, back me up.
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    Morris averaged 57 and hit 8 centuries against Bedser.

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    Bedser dismissed him a few times, but Morris made a fair few runs against him before being dismissed.
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    Lara > Tendulkar > Ponting > Kallis for mine and I don't give a **** about the stats.
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    If you're talking about entertainment value, I agree.

    You're not, though. I find the double standards with regards to the judging of players quite annoying. Kallis may have batted slowly, but it was due to his role in the team. He performed his role just as well as any of the others (statistically, better) and to judge him on his SR in Tests is ludicrous at the best of times.

    Let's be honest - Kallis doesn't get rated as highly due to the fact that he was deemed "selfish" due to his slow nature. He was in fact the opposite of selfish - he took up the mantra for the good of the team! He has shown, at times, that he can attack as well as any of the aforementioned; the aforementioned just had aggression more integrated with their role in the team.


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    No, I'm talking about who I think was the best of the 4 down in order to who I think is the worst - it's based on watching them all over a number of years.

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    Lara=Tendulkar>Ponting>Kallis=Dravid.
    The top three just a touch above the other two though. And yes the ability to dominate an attack and set the tempo for an innings does count or Barrington would be rated higher than Viv.
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Sachin is only considered the best because 40 trillion Indians with internet are adamant he is. In reality, you can't split them easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Lara=Tendulkar>Ponting>Kallis=Dravid.
    The top three just a touch above the other two though. And yes the ability to dominate an attack and set the tempo for an innings does count or Barrington would be rated higher than Viv.
    It's funny that so many people don't realize that Kallis had the ability to dominate an attack. I honestly believe that Kallis has at least as much ability to do so than all but possibly Lara. His role in the team, though, was to be the anchor. In recent years, since the arrival of Amla and de Villiers, Kallis has become more free-flowing - showing that he can do it; it just wasn't in his role description.

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    The idea of this team is to win matches as fast as possible. They can bowl a team out fast and then pile on a huge score quickly.

    Sehwag
    Trumper
    B Richards
    V Richards
    Hill
    Gilchrist
    Younis
    Steyn
    Marshall
    Donald
    Barnes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    The idea of this team is to win matches as fast as possible. They can bowl a team out fast and then pile on a huge score quickly.

    Sehwag
    Trumper
    B Richards
    V Richards
    Hill
    Gilchrist
    Younis
    Steyn
    Marshall
    Donald
    Barnes
    Interestting idea, but your batting order is all wrong

    Sehwag
    Richards
    Hill
    Richards
    Trumper
    Miller
    Gilchrist
    Marshall
    Younis
    Bond
    Barnes
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    in ATG team his tail starts at 7
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Top Ten Batsman

    Don Bradman
    George Headley
    Jack Hobbs
    Garry Sobers
    Viv Richards
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Brian Lara
    Greg Chappell
    Wally Hammond
    Graeme Pollock

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    The idea of this team is to win matches as fast as possible. They can bowl a team out fast and then pile on a huge score quickly.

    Sehwag
    Trumper
    B Richards
    V Richards
    Hill
    Gilchrist
    Younis
    Steyn
    Marshall
    Donald
    Barnes
    I'd still have Bradman. Was a very quick scorer.

    V. Sehwag
    B. Richards
    V. Richards
    D. Bradman
    V. Trumper
    A. Gilchrist
    K. Miller
    M. Marshall
    D. Steyn
    W. Younis
    SF. Barnes

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    Since I am at it

    Top 10 Bowlers

    Malcolm Marshall
    Glenn Mcgrath
    Curtly Ambrose
    Dennis Lillee
    Ray Lindwall
    Imran Khan
    Fred Trueman
    Michael Holding
    Wasim Akram
    Richard Hadlee

    Shane Warne
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Bill O'Reilly
    Jim Laker
    Clarrie Grimmett
    Hedley Verity
    Anil Kumble
    Richie Benaud
    Erapalli Prasanna
    Lance Gibbs

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Since I am at it

    Top 10 Bowlers

    Malcolm Marshall
    Glenn Mcgrath
    Curtly Ambrose
    Dennis Lillee
    Ray Lindwall
    Imran Khan
    Fred Trueman
    Michael Holding
    Wasim Akram
    Richard Hadlee

    Shane Warne
    Muttiah Muralitharan
    Bill O'Reilly
    Jim Laker
    Clarrie Grimmett
    Hedley Verity
    Anil Kumble
    Richie Benaud
    Erapalli Prasanna
    Lance Gibbs
    Bit rough leaving out Bishen Bedi in that bottom lot
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