The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[MrPrez]

For me it's:

Hobbs
Hutton
Bradman
Tendulkar
Compton
Sobers
Gilchrist
Proctor
Warne
Marshall
Lillee/Larwood/some West Indian quick/some other bowler I'm not thinking of

[Camo999]

I'll have a go:

Camo999 All-time XI
Hobbs
Grace [6]
Bradman
Lara
Richards V
Sobers [5]
+Gilchrist
*Imran [3]
Warne [4]
Ambrose [1]
Barnes [2]

I’m a massive Lara fan so he squeezes in ahead of Tendulkar, Headley, Pollock etc

Stuff Hutton vs Sutcliffe, WG dominated the sport for decades. Not his fault test matches weren’t that regular during his peak.

[kyear2]

The batting line up for the All Time XI seems much easier to choose than the bowling attack.
The always consensus picks being Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers, with the occasional smattering of Headley, Hammond, Lara, Pollock, Gavaskar and Chappell.
The bowling attack seems to consistently have only two names in Warne and Marshall with a list of: Mcgrath, Lillee, Miller, lindwall, Ambrose, Holding, Akram, Imran, Procter, Hadlee, Trueman, Barnes, Muralitharan, Verity, O'Reilly, Laker fighing it out for the last two spots.
The Wicketkeeping spot realistically is between two men and selection depends if you want a wicket-keeperbatsman or the other way around, but realistically you loose little in either catergory with Gilchrist and Knott or even Les Ames if one were to strech the pool.

[Monk]

My 1st XI
Sunil Gavaskar
Jack Hobbs
Don Bradman
Wally Hammond
Viv Richards (c)
Garry Sobers
Allan Knott
Shane Warne
Malcolm Marshall
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

My 2nd XI
Len Hutton
Gordon Greenidge
George Headley
Sachin Tendulkar
Keith Miller
Brian Lara
Adam Gilchrist
Imran Khan
Richard Hadlee
Curtly Ambrose
Bill O'Reilly

My 3rd XI
Arthur Morris
Herb Sutcliffe
Ricky Ponting
Frank Worrell
Victor Trumper
Allan Border
Farokh Engineer
Wasim Akram
Andy Roberts
Joel Garner
SF Barnes

[Monk]

Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player

1. Jack Hobbs (Eng)
2.
3. Don Bradman (Aus)
4. Sachin Tendulkar (Ind)
5. Garry Sobers (WI)
6. Graeme Pollock (SA)
7.
8. Imran Khan (Pak)
9. Richard Hadlee (NZ)
10.
11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

Perhaps Kapil over Sachin, and Pollock debatable, but I think the rest are pretty uncontentious.

[LongHopCassidy]

Originally Posted by Monk

Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player

1. Jack Hobbs (Eng)
2.
3. Don Bradman (Aus)
4. Sachin Tendulkar (Ind)
5. Garry Sobers (WI)
6. Graeme Pollock (SA)
7.
8. Imran Khan (Pak)
9. Richard Hadlee (NZ)
10.
11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

Perhaps Kapil over Sachin, and Pollock debatable, but I think the rest are pretty uncontentious.

Flower for Zimbabwe, surely.

[Prince EWS]

There's no way Pollock was a greater player than Kallis. Even on batting alone it's somewhat debatable, but Kallis as an overall cricketer leaves him for dead. Not sold on Hobbs either.

1. WG Grace (England)
2. Jacques Kallis (South Africa)
3. Don Bradman (Australia)
4. Sachin Tendulkar (India)
5. Garry Sobers (West Indies)
6. Andy Flower (Zimbabwe)
7. Shakib al Hasan (Bangladesh)
8. Imran Khan (Pakistan)
9. Richard Hadlee (New Zealand)
10. Bart King (non Test playing nations)
11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

I think Kallis would have to open if you did it like that.

[JBMAC]

Originally Posted by kyear2

The batting line up for the All Time XI seems much easier to choose than the bowling attack.
The always consensus picks being Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers, with the occasional smattering of Headley, Hammond, Lara, Pollock, Gavaskar and Chappell.
The bowling attack seems to consistently have only two names in Warne and Marshall with a list of: Mcgrath, Lillee, Miller, lindwall, Ambrose, Holding, Akram, Imran, Procter, Hadlee, Trueman, Barnes, Muralitharan, Verity, O'Reilly, Laker fighing it out for the last two spots.
The Wicketkeeping spot realistically is between two men and selection depends if you want a wicket-keeperbatsman or the other way around, but realistically you loose little in either catergory with Gilchrist and Knott or even Les Ames if one were to strech the pool.

You got to be kidding.You have lineups including all the greats and you would not select a specialist stumper. You are obviously younger or would have selected between Tallon, Grout,Engineer or Maclean.From your own country Walcott was no slouch and neither was Dujon. Both the latter are in front of Ames at least

[watson]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

There's no way Pollock was a greater player than Kallis. Even on batting alone it's somewhat debatable, but Kallis as an overall cricketer leaves him for dead. Not sold on Hobbs either.

1. WG Grace (England)
2. Jacques Kallis (South Africa)
3. Don Bradman (Australia)
4. Sachin Tendulkar (India)
5. Garry Sobers (West Indies)
6. Andy Flower (Zimbabwe)
7. Shakib al Hasan (Bangladesh)
8. Imran Khan (Pakistan)
9. Richard Hadlee (New Zealand)
10. Bart King (non Test playing nations)
11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

I think Kallis would have to open if you did it like that.

Are we after 'great' or 'best'?

Kallis might be the greater cricketer, but Pollock is the better batsman of the two South Africans IMO.

Same goes for Grace and Hobbs. Grace is probably the greater cricketer, but Hobbs would have to be the better English batsman IMO.

[watson]

Originally Posted by JBMAC

You got to be kidding.You have lineups including all the greats and you would not select a specialist stumper. You are obviously younger or would have selected between Tallon, Grout,Engineer or Maclean.From your own country Walcott was no slouch and neither was Dujon. Both the latter are in front of Ames at least

Knott is definitely a specialist stumper, and possibly the best wicket-keeper of all time according to commenators like Dickie Bird who saw an aweful lot of keepers. The fact that Knott could bat as well is an added bonus.

Gilchrist was probably not as skillful as Knott behind the stumps, but I didn't hear Warne or McGrath complaining.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by watson

Are we after 'great' or 'best'?

Kallis might be the greater cricketer, but Pollock is the better batsman of the two South Africans IMO.

Same goes for Grace and Hobbs. Grace is probably the greater cricketer, but Hobbs would have to be the better English batsman IMO.

From the original post: "Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player"

It's an entirely different exercise to the old "pick one player from each country in an attempt to get the best balanced side" thing.

[watson]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

From the original post: "Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player"

It's an entirely different exercise to the old "pick one player from each country in an attempt to get the best balanced side" thing.

In that case it should be Kallis and Grace (just).

[NUFAN]

Captain Obvious here, but man Bangladesh have been **** when you try and work out who the second best player of theres has been!

Bashar, Tamim or Rafique are the only contenders which sums it up.

[LongHopCassidy]

Originally Posted by watson

Gilchrist was probably not as skillful as Knott behind the stumps, but I didn't hear Warne or McGrath complaining.

What made Knott such a class apart from Gilchrist? Would you rather keep to Warne or Underwood?

And if we're looking for a specialist stumper, then Ames is your man (highest FC stumping/catching ratio by a mile).

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by NUFAN

Captain Obvious here, but man Bangladesh have been **** when you try and work out who the second best player of theres has been!

Bashar, Tamim or Rafique are the only contenders which sums it up.

Mashrafe Murtaza might be the contender as well......they have been that ****