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    For me it's:

    Hobbs
    Hutton
    Bradman
    Tendulkar
    Compton
    Sobers
    Gilchrist
    Proctor
    Warne
    Marshall
    Lillee/Larwood/some West Indian quick/some other bowler I'm not thinking of
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    I'll have a go:

    Camo999 All-time XI
    Hobbs
    Grace [6]
    Bradman
    Lara
    Richards V
    Sobers [5]
    +Gilchrist
    *Imran [3]
    Warne [4]
    Ambrose [1]
    Barnes [2]

    Iím a massive Lara fan so he squeezes in ahead of Tendulkar, Headley, Pollock etc

    Stuff Hutton vs Sutcliffe, WG dominated the sport for decades. Not his fault test matches werenít that regular during his peak.

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    The batting line up for the All Time XI seems much easier to choose than the bowling attack.
    The always consensus picks being Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers, with the occasional smattering of Headley, Hammond, Lara, Pollock, Gavaskar and Chappell.
    The bowling attack seems to consistently have only two names in Warne and Marshall with a list of: Mcgrath, Lillee, Miller, lindwall, Ambrose, Holding, Akram, Imran, Procter, Hadlee, Trueman, Barnes, Muralitharan, Verity, O'Reilly, Laker fighing it out for the last two spots.
    The Wicketkeeping spot realistically is between two men and selection depends if you want a wicket-keeperbatsman or the other way around, but realistically you loose little in either catergory with Gilchrist and Knott or even Les Ames if one were to strech the pool.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    My 1st XI
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Jack Hobbs
    Don Bradman
    Wally Hammond
    Viv Richards (c)
    Garry Sobers
    Allan Knott
    Shane Warne
    Malcolm Marshall
    Dennis Lillee
    Glenn McGrath

    My 2nd XI
    Len Hutton
    Gordon Greenidge
    George Headley
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Keith Miller
    Brian Lara
    Adam Gilchrist
    Imran Khan
    Richard Hadlee
    Curtly Ambrose
    Bill O'Reilly

    My 3rd XI
    Arthur Morris
    Herb Sutcliffe
    Ricky Ponting
    Frank Worrell
    Victor Trumper
    Allan Border
    Farokh Engineer
    Wasim Akram
    Andy Roberts
    Joel Garner
    SF Barnes
    Last edited by Red Hill; 25-09-2012 at 06:15 PM.
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    Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player

    1. Jack Hobbs (Eng)
    2.
    3. Don Bradman (Aus)
    4. Sachin Tendulkar (Ind)
    5. Garry Sobers (WI)
    6. Graeme Pollock (SA)
    7.
    8. Imran Khan (Pak)
    9. Richard Hadlee (NZ)
    10.
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

    Perhaps Kapil over Sachin, and Pollock debatable, but I think the rest are pretty uncontentious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player

    1. Jack Hobbs (Eng)
    2.
    3. Don Bradman (Aus)
    4. Sachin Tendulkar (Ind)
    5. Garry Sobers (WI)
    6. Graeme Pollock (SA)
    7.
    8. Imran Khan (Pak)
    9. Richard Hadlee (NZ)
    10.
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

    Perhaps Kapil over Sachin, and Pollock debatable, but I think the rest are pretty uncontentious.
    Flower for Zimbabwe, surely.
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    There's no way Pollock was a greater player than Kallis. Even on batting alone it's somewhat debatable, but Kallis as an overall cricketer leaves him for dead. Not sold on Hobbs either.

    1. WG Grace (England)
    2. Jacques Kallis (South Africa)
    3. Don Bradman (Australia)
    4. Sachin Tendulkar (India)
    5. Garry Sobers (West Indies)
    6. Andy Flower (Zimbabwe)
    7. Shakib al Hasan (Bangladesh)
    8. Imran Khan (Pakistan)
    9. Richard Hadlee (New Zealand)
    10. Bart King (non Test playing nations)
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    The batting line up for the All Time XI seems much easier to choose than the bowling attack.
    The always consensus picks being Hutton, Hobbs, Bradman, Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers, with the occasional smattering of Headley, Hammond, Lara, Pollock, Gavaskar and Chappell.
    The bowling attack seems to consistently have only two names in Warne and Marshall with a list of: Mcgrath, Lillee, Miller, lindwall, Ambrose, Holding, Akram, Imran, Procter, Hadlee, Trueman, Barnes, Muralitharan, Verity, O'Reilly, Laker fighing it out for the last two spots.
    The Wicketkeeping spot realistically is between two men and selection depends if you want a wicket-keeperbatsman or the other way around, but realistically you loose little in either catergory with Gilchrist and Knott or even Les Ames if one were to strech the pool.
    You got to be kidding.You have lineups including all the greats and you would not select a specialist stumper. You are obviously younger or would have selected between Tallon, Grout,Engineer or Maclean.From your own country Walcott was no slouch and neither was Dujon. Both the latter are in front of Ames at least
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    There's no way Pollock was a greater player than Kallis. Even on batting alone it's somewhat debatable, but Kallis as an overall cricketer leaves him for dead. Not sold on Hobbs either.

    1. WG Grace (England)
    2. Jacques Kallis (South Africa)
    3. Don Bradman (Australia)
    4. Sachin Tendulkar (India)
    5. Garry Sobers (West Indies)
    6. Andy Flower (Zimbabwe)
    7. Shakib al Hasan (Bangladesh)
    8. Imran Khan (Pakistan)
    9. Richard Hadlee (New Zealand)
    10. Bart King (non Test playing nations)
    11. Muttiah Muralitharan (SL)

    I think Kallis would have to open if you did it like that.
    Are we after 'great' or 'best'?

    Kallis might be the greater cricketer, but Pollock is the better batsman of the two South Africans IMO.

    Same goes for Grace and Hobbs. Grace is probably the greater cricketer, but Hobbs would have to be the better English batsman IMO.
    Last edited by watson; 25-09-2012 at 08:24 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JBMAC View Post
    You got to be kidding.You have lineups including all the greats and you would not select a specialist stumper. You are obviously younger or would have selected between Tallon, Grout,Engineer or Maclean.From your own country Walcott was no slouch and neither was Dujon. Both the latter are in front of Ames at least
    Knott is definitely a specialist stumper, and possibly the best wicket-keeper of all time according to commenators like Dickie Bird who saw an aweful lot of keepers. The fact that Knott could bat as well is an added bonus.

    Gilchrist was probably not as skillful as Knott behind the stumps, but I didn't hear Warne or McGrath complaining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Are we after 'great' or 'best'?

    Kallis might be the greater cricketer, but Pollock is the better batsman of the two South Africans IMO.

    Same goes for Grace and Hobbs. Grace is probably the greater cricketer, but Hobbs would have to be the better English batsman IMO.
    From the original post: "Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player"

    It's an entirely different exercise to the old "pick one player from each country in an attempt to get the best balanced side" thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    From the original post: "Each Test Playing Nation's Greatest Player"

    It's an entirely different exercise to the old "pick one player from each country in an attempt to get the best balanced side" thing.
    In that case it should be Kallis and Grace (just).

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    Captain Obvious here, but man Bangladesh have been **** when you try and work out who the second best player of theres has been!

    Bashar, Tamim or Rafique are the only contenders which sums it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Gilchrist was probably not as skillful as Knott behind the stumps, but I didn't hear Warne or McGrath complaining.
    What made Knott such a class apart from Gilchrist? Would you rather keep to Warne or Underwood?

    And if we're looking for a specialist stumper, then Ames is your man (highest FC stumping/catching ratio by a mile).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Captain Obvious here, but man Bangladesh have been **** when you try and work out who the second best player of theres has been!

    Bashar, Tamim or Rafique are the only contenders which sums it up.
    Mashrafe Murtaza might be the contender as well......they have been that ****
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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