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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    In a straight McGrath Vs Davidson contest I would agree that McGrath is the better bowler. Although by not that much.

    However, some RH batsman don't like facing left-armers who swing the ball back into the stumps. So, you might like to include Davidson for the sake of some left-arm variety if you already have Lillee and Miller in the team.

    So the question is not really McGrath Vs Davidson but rather;

    Lillee-McGrath-Miller Vs Lillee-Davidson-Miller Vs McGrath-Davidson-Miller, as your Aussie pace attack. And that's a tougher question than the original proposition!
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    I'll share my adjusted averages and strike-rates for McGrath and Davidson:

    McGrath: 22.40 ave, 57.7 s/r (standardised from 21.64, 51.9)
    Davidson: 22.06 ave, 54.2 s/r (standardised from 20.53, 62.2)

    Hopefully, this will add some perspective. Both have higher averages, but Davo has improved his strike-rate immensely due to the slow-scoring/high strike-rate era he played in.
    Greatest Ever Test XI: JB Hobbs, L Hutton, DG Bradman (c), IVA Richards, BC Lara, GS Sobers, AC Gilchrist (wk), Imran Khan, RJ Hadlee, MD Marshall, SK Warne 12th man: M Muralitharan


    Favorite XI: WG Grace, VT Trumper, IVA Richards, DCS Compton, FMM Worrell (c), AC Gilchrist (wk), CL Cairns, SK Warne, FS Trueman, SE Bond, T Richardson 12th man: H Larwood

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    Well, isn't it exactly the same as comparing their average anyway, since no additional variables have been taken into account? All you've done is multiply it by 10.
    Very true, and the only realistic way you can compare players on raw stats is if they played for the same team in the same era against the same opposition.

    However, we can conclude that both have outstanding bowling averages in their own era (or any era post 1910-20 for that matter). There is a substantial difference in their career SRs though.

    It'd be interesting to compare their SRs within their own eras. I may well be proven wrong. Anyway, I'll be back in a few hours, after a scratch footy match with mates and a few beers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    I'll share my adjusted averages and strike-rates for McGrath and Davidson:

    McGrath: 22.40 ave, 57.7 s/r (standardised from 21.64, 51.9)
    Davidson: 22.06 ave, 54.2 s/r (standardised from 20.53, 62.2)

    Hopefully, this will add some perspective. Both have higher averages, but Davo has improved his strike-rate immensely due to the slow-scoring/high strike-rate era he played in.
    Method?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Days of Grace View Post
    I'll share my adjusted averages and strike-rates for McGrath and Davidson:

    McGrath: 22.40 ave, 57.7 s/r (standardised from 21.64, 51.9)
    Davidson: 22.06 ave, 54.2 s/r (standardised from 20.53, 62.2)

    Hopefully, this will add some perspective. Both have higher averages, but Davo has improved his strike-rate immensely due to the slow-scoring/high strike-rate era he played in.

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    DoG, your analysis makes it easier for me to pick Davo.....

    McG lovers can suck it

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    Referring to Cribb's Standardised Average Process:

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    Rank       Bowler                           Mat      Wkt      Avg         St. Avg         Lon            Value
    8	        GD McGrath (Aus)	123	     560	  21.69	  23.30	       10.75	  3.326
    15	        AK Davidson (Aus)	 44	     186	  20.53	  22.36	        8.31	  2.818
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Method?
    That would require a very long post. But just take my word on it that I did a lot of work to arrive at those numbers.

    I will share all my ratings eventually, but for now, I am happy to post standardised averages of any players you want.

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    I think people are trying to reinvent the wheel, just to be different. Mcgrath makes out AT XI first team, and was a key member of one of the greatest teams in history. I do think that in a way he benefitted from the overall lack of quality bowlers in the 00's but he is an automatic choice for the 11alobg with Lillee and Miller and if he had to make way for anyone it would be for Lindwall.

    As far as England then is concerened, Larwood, Snow, Bedser or Tate? Also since it was raised Pietersen or Barrington. I would go for Pietersen and Snow myself, but know how highly some rate Larrwood, so would suggest Larwood and Pietersen.
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    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


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    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    I think people are trying to reinvent the wheel, just to be different. Mcgrath makes out AT XI first team, and was a key member of one of the greatest teams in history.
    Is this an admission of your ignorance of Alan Davidson?

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    Late 50's - 60's med fast lh bolwer with a Garner like average and quite high s/r. Great bowler, not better than Lindwall or Mcgrath.

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    Three points...

    - am I right in saying everyone is picking Warne, O'Reilly and Lillee in the AT Australian side? In which case I think one of Lindwall or Davidson to bat at 8 is a pretty reasonable call, much as I admire McGrath.

    - Barrington averaged 77 at number 3, and only 41 at number 5. So if you're going to pick him in an England all-time side, pick him at number 3. But then most people don't want to pick all of Hobbs, Hutton and Sutcliffe because having Hutton or Sutcliffe at number 3 will mean two very slow players in the top order. So how does Barrington fit into the mix?

    - also don't understand the Larwood love. If you want to pick someone just because they're quick, pick Tyson, who averaged 10 runs per wicket less.

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    I think people (including myself) are picking Larwood based on his domination of English country cricket in the 1930s, rather than his test record, which he was never allowed to build on after the Bodyline series.

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    Slightly Out-There English ATG XI
    Jack Hobbs
    Len Hutton
    KS Ranjitsinhji
    Denis Compton
    Wally Hammond
    Kevin Pietersen
    Ian Botham
    Maurice Tate
    Godfrey Evans
    Harold Larwood
    Sydney Barnes
    (Fred Trueman)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Late 50's - 60's med fast lh bolwer with a Garner like average and quite high s/r. Great bowler, not better than Lindwall or Mcgrath.
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