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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

bagapath

International Captain
best XIs from different generations

46 - 59

hutton 56
morris 46
compton 50
harvey 48
weekes 58
miller 36
benaud 24
lindwall 21
evans 20
bedser 14
laker 14
387

60 to 73

boycott 47
simpson 46
barrington 58
g.pollock 60
kanhai 47
sobers 57
knott 32
trueman 13
snow 13
underwood 13
gibbs 13
399

74 - 87

gavaskar 51
greenidge 44
richards 50
g.chappell 53
border 50
imran 37
hadlee 27
marsh 26
marshall 18
lillee 13
bedi 8
377

88 - 2001

taylor 43
gooch 43
lara 52
tendulkar 53
kallis 55
s.waugh 51
healy 27
akram 22
warne 17
ambrose 12
mcgrath 7
382

2002 - 15

sehwag 47
hayden 50
sangakara 57
ponting 51
de villiers 51
gilchrist 47
s.pollock 32
m.johnson 22
swann 22
steyn 14
murali 12
405

Rest

langer 45
g.smith 48
dravid 52
amla 51
miandad 52
flower 51
botham 33
holding 13
garner 12
donald 10
chandra 4
371
 

kyear2

Cricketer Of The Year
Hutton
Gavaskar
Bradman
Sobers
Miller
Border
Gilchrist
Imran
Marshall
O'Reilly
McGrath
Replace Miller with Tendulkar / Richards and I actually like that team. Don't often see Sobers at 4, but he was an ideal no. 4 and him behind Bradman would be unparalleled carnage.

Slip cordon a little weaker than I would ideally like, although Gavaskar and Border were decent enough.
 

OverratedSanity

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best XIs from different generations

46 - 59

hutton 56
morris 46
compton 50
harvey 48
weekes 58
miller 36
benaud 24
lindwall 21
evans 20
bedser 14
laker 14
387

60 to 73

boycott 47
simpson 46
barrington 58
g.pollock 60
kanhai 47
sobers 57
knott 32
trueman 13
snow 13
underwood 13
gibbs 13
399

74 - 87

gavaskar 51
greenidge 44
richards 50
g.chappell 53
border 50
imran 37
hadlee 27
marsh 26
marshall 18
lillee 13
bedi 8
377

88 - 2001

taylor 43
gooch 43
lara 52
tendulkar 53
kallis 55
s.waugh 51
healy 27
akram 22
warne 17
ambrose 12
mcgrath 7
382

2002 - 15

sehwag 47
hayden 50
sangakara 57
ponting 51
de villiers 51
gilchrist 47
s.pollock 32
m.johnson 22
swann 22
steyn 14
murali 12
405

Rest

langer 45
g.smith 48
dravid 52
amla 51
miandad 52
flower 51
botham 33
holding 13
garner 12
donald 10
chandra 4
371
de Villiers over Amla? Nah. Especially when you've got Gilchrist anyway for keeping duties.
 

bagapath

International Captain
de Villiers over Amla? Nah. Especially when you've got Gilchrist anyway for keeping duties.
with sangakara and ponting already in, amla would make it three bonafide no.3s of which two would be batting out of position. de villiers OTOH is a natural at no.5 making the batting order proper.
other than this, there is nothing to split the two of them anyways; either one would would fit in very well imo.
 

Gob

International Coach
Awesome OD team based on nothing

Fleming*
Gibbs
Sangakkara +
Martyn
Pietersen (skunk version)
McMillan
Flintoff
Vettori
Lee
Akthar
Bond

ok maybe mid 00ish
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Replace Miller with Tendulkar / Richards and I actually like that team. Don't often see Sobers at 4, but he was an ideal no. 4 and him behind Bradman would be unparalleled carnage.

Slip cordon a little weaker than I would ideally like, although Gavaskar and Border were decent enough.
Just mucking around with wanting Miller in the XI really to get as diverse a bowling attack as possible. Like the idea of Sobers and Miller in the top six. Realistically it probably means I should play two spinners. Generally I'd have Viv over Border but I like AB at the moment. This would give you a bit of everything in bowling...

Hutton
Gavaskar
Bradman
Sobers (left arm anything)
Miller (right arm pace)
Shakib (left arm orthodox)
Gilchrist
Wasim (left arm pace/old ball specialist)
O'Reilly (right arm leg spin)
Ambrose (tall right arm pace)
Murali (right arm off spin)
 

The Battlers Prince

International Vice-Captain
Seen XI
1. Alastair Cook*
2. Matthew Hayden
3. Brian Lara
4. Jacques Kallis
5. AB De Villiers
6. Ricky Ponting
7. Brendon McCullum+
8. Wasim Akram
9. Shane Warne
10. Curtly Ambrose
11. Glenn McGrath

Unseen XI
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Barry Richards
3. Don Bradman*
4. Denis Compton
5. Aubrey Faulkner
6. Garry Sobers
7. Allan Knott+
8. Ray Lindwall
9. Fred Trueman
10. Dennis Lillee
11. Hugh Tayfield

Started watching about 91 and so have left out the great AB as I saw part of his career but not the best stuff; mid 80's. Also left out my favourite captain Lloyd as he's a great number 6 and I wanted Sobers there. Some days I switch Supercat in there though.
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Seen:

Taylor *
Gooch
Ponting
Tendulkar
Lara
Kallis
Gilchrist
Wasim
Warne
Marshall
McGrath

Unseen:

Hutton
Hobbs
Bradman
G.Chappell
Richards
Sobers
Knott
Imran
Hadlee
Lillee
O'Reilly

I can vaguely remember Hadlee and Imran but only just.
 

Tom Flint

International Regular
best XIs from different generations

46 - 59

hutton 56
morris 46
compton 50
harvey 48
weekes 58
miller 36
benaud 24
lindwall 21
evans 20
bedser 14
laker 14
387

60 to 73

boycott 47
simpson 46
barrington 58
g.pollock 60
kanhai 47
sobers 57
knott 32
trueman 13
snow 13
underwood 13
gibbs 13
399

74 - 87

gavaskar 51
greenidge 44
richards 50
g.chappell 53
border 50
imran 37
hadlee 27
marsh 26
marshall 18
lillee 13
bedi 8
377

88 - 2001

taylor 43
gooch 43
lara 52
tendulkar 53
kallis 55
s.waugh 51
healy 27
akram 22
warne 17
ambrose 12
mcgrath 7
382

2002 - 15

sehwag 47
hayden 50
sangakara 57
ponting 51
de villiers 51
gilchrist 47
s.pollock 32
m.johnson 22
swann 22
steyn 14
murali 12
405

Rest

langer 45
g.smith 48
dravid 52
amla 51
miandad 52
flower 51
botham 33
holding 13
garner 12
donald 10
chandra 4
371
Agree with most of that except from the 02-2015 team. My 88-2001 and 02-2015 teams would be

Taylor
Gooch
Kallis
Tendulkar
Lara
S Waugh
Boucher
Akram
Warne
Ambrose
Donald

Sehwag
Hayden
Dravid
Ponting
Clarke
Chanderpaul
Gilchrist
Steyn
Akhtar
Murali
McGrath

Difficult not to include smith, sangakara and ab, ab and Clarke was a toss of a coin decision
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
So basically nobody currently playing is good enough #rosetintedglasses

BIg daddy Kane is on track to make mine in a few years.
Nice teams btw
DeVilliers and Steyn are the two I'd consider, but they'd have to push out Ponting/Tendulkar or Lara and Marshall, McGrath or Wasim. Neither justify that clearly yet in my eyes.

Don't disagree on Williamson. Absolute gun, but I'll give it another 5 years.
 

The Battlers Prince

International Vice-Captain
Non Country of Birth XI
1. Archie Jackson
2. Andrew Strauss*
3. George Headley
4. Kevin Pieterson
5. Kumar Duleepsinhji
6. Ted Dexter
7. Andy Flower+
8. Albert Trott
9. Robin Jackman
10. Clarrie Grimmett
11. JJ Ferris
12th Ranji
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
How I'm feeling today:

Hutton
Hobbs
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist
Wasim
Marshall
O'Reilly
McGrath
 

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
I would pick Wasim & Waqar. What a deadly combo.

Remember reading this piece on bowling pairs. Great insight esp Martin Crowe talks about Marshall & Holding

Malcolm Marshall and Michael Holding
West Indies, 1980-1987; 291 wickets in 33 Tests together

By Martin Crowe

A quartet drawn from Marshall, Garner, Holding, Roberts, Clarke and Croft could put fear into anyone. Marshall, the greatest, formed an incredible pair with Garner or Holding, as Roberts did with Garner or Holding. But if pushed, I'm going for Marshall and Holding; and there's virtually nothing between them and the great Wasim and Waqar.

Maco was 5' 9", so in theory he had no bounce to call upon, yet somehow he had it all. Mikey moved like the wind and sent it down like lightning. Maco became revered for his intelligence, stamina, his humour, and his strike rate of 46.7 balls per wicket - a cut above anybody in the 1980s. Mikey, gliding in gracefully off 40 yards, destroyed many a nervous batsman with just his run-up. Together they were an irresistible force, different in style yet similar in method.

I first felt the Maco-Mikey sting in 1985. I had played 19 Tests without much to show, and in the cauldrons of the Caribbean, life wasn't about to get easier. In the first Test in Port-of-Spain, Mikey accounted for me easily in the first dig, Maco in the second. On a flatter Georgetown pitch in the second Test, I was whacked in the side of the head early on by Mikey. That woke me up. I began to move swiftly and avoided further damage, batting through on a featherbed. Maco, at one point frustrated with Ian Smith and our long partnership, yelled, "Wait until I get you in Barbados!"

When we got to Barbados he was waiting. He put Smith in hospital with a near-broken arm and dealt with the rest of us along the way. When I walked out to bat, the score was 1 for 2, 11 balls into the match. Soon to become 1 for 3 in 13. Coming in, my brother Jeff scored a single off his first ball from Maco. I then faced Marshall for a protracted period, receiving four balls in my half. At the other end, Jeff somehow survived Garner and received none at all in his half, registering what was then, at 91 minutes, close to the record for the longest period without scoring a run.

When Maco took his sweater to signal a break, Mikey marked out his run next to the sightscreen. He settled in with a few subtle outswingers, some cutters, the odd bouncer. Then a slower ball, a wide-of-the-crease rib-tickler and so on. After three overs, Jeff advised me I was within inches of hitting the wicket with my back leg as I played a short ball down to gully. Forward and back, forward and back. No runs, no respite, and worst of all, the heart rate climbing. Then another fierce kicker. As I played it mid-air, my back foot took out off stump - hit-wicket for 14. I hadn't done much wrong. Mikey had disorientated my footwork and created havoc with my pulse. It was a wonderful spell, so subtle in style and yet so brutal in its method. Maco, then Mikey. It was the worst kind of hell and the best calibre of bowling I ever encountered.

West Indies won that match comfortably and Maco delivered on his promise - 11 wickets, the best return of his career till then. Then came the cry, "Wait until I get you in Jamaica."​

Which is the finest bowling pair? | The Cricket Monthly | ESPN Cricinfo
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
How long was Wasim and Waqar a huge force given that Waqar had a huge peak 92-95 or so but wasn't that great rest of the time..
 

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
How long was Wasim and Waqar a huge force given that Waqar had a huge peak 92-95 or so but wasn't that great rest of the time..
Roughly 1990-1996 when they were most effective as duo. Interestingly their records are almost identical in between the period.

 
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