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    Imran in the 1980s was such a gun

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    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Imran in the 1980s was such a gun

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    This analysis is the best statistical analysis of bowlers done ever (of course I am not saying this because Imran comes out on top )
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Mailey was the world's leading leg-spin googly bowler until Shane Warne came along.
    Grimmett, Benaud, Chandra and Abdul Qadir would like a word.

    Funnily enough, Mailey is still hanging onto the best-ever innings bowling by an Australian - 9-121.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Imran in the 1980s was such a gun

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    Oh yes! I was actively playing the game then so as we sat watching from behind the bowler's arm we used to wonder, seeing that late alarming in-swing how the hell one was expected to play it. Batsman after top Indian batsman struggled like school children, the great Gavaskar included.

    The only one to play him with a degree of assurance at his best was Mohinder Amarnath.


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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Make that your avatar IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJS View Post
    Oh yes! I was actively playing the game then so as we sat watching from behind the bowler's arm we used to wonder, seeing that late alarming in-swing how the hell one was expected to play it. Batsman after top Indian batsman struggled like school children, the great Gavaskar included.

    The only one to play him with a degree of assurance at his best was Mohinder Amarnath.
    Wow....did you ever manage to play Imran?

    I think social here had once faced Marshall and Imran in the nets in the late 80s and he said that even then Imran was pretty sharp

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    Quote Originally Posted by LongHopCassidy View Post
    Grimmett, Benaud, Chandra and Abdul Qadir would like a word.

    Funnily enough, Mailey is still hanging onto the best-ever innings bowling by an Australian - 9-121.
    That 9-121 was from the 1920/21 Ashes series (5 Tests). He went on to capture 36 wickets at an average of only 26.27 runs, and at a Strike Rate of an incredible 40.6 deliveries per wicket.

    I'm not sure if there are better stat's for a leggie, or any type if spinner for that matter, during a Test match series. But if there are, I'd sure like to see them (against top notch opponents of course).

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    The thing about Mailey, as gun as he was and as much as I adore him, he leaked runs. Gun strike rate but I'd prefer Grimmett to wear down the opposition, then get his man
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    Since the AT Englist team will be the hardest to pick, Lets start there. I Assume that everyone agrees with Hobbs so we will start with his partner. My vote goes to Hutton.
    What says the masses?
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Sutcliffe.

    Hutton to bat at 3

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    I am with Mick Jager

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    Did Hammond ever actually bat at three though, and if Hutton and Sutcliffe bats together for any period of time, what would that look like?

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    We need to stop just looking at averages, one painfully slow anchor in the top three is quite enough, two is just over kill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    We need to stop just looking at averages, one painfully slow anchor in the top three is quite enough, two is just over kill.
    For that reason - Hutton should bat at No.5 and anchor the middle order.

    Attacking batsman can then play at No.4 and No.6 as they should.

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    Hammond batted at 3 or 4 the majority of the time. His batting average at number 3 is 75 (52 inns), so I think he should bat there for sure.

    Hutton was an opener. Very rarely batted in the middle order. Not sure you can justify picking him there. It would be like an Australian XI picking Hayden at 5. No justification for it.

    So Hobbs is a must for opening according to nearly everyone who selects a team. Evidently one the the greatest batsmen ever.

    For me, top three must be:

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe OR Hutton
    Hammond

    For positions 4 and 5 Compton must be considered. Played 108 innings at either 4 or 5 and averaged 54 there. Also has the flair to keep things going. I've swayed back and forth here on the other middle order bat, but I feel Barrington deserves a place, particularly when combined with Compton, Hammond and Botham, who I'll have at 6. Barrington for the anchor role at 4, and Compton at 5...

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe OR Hutton
    Hammond
    Barrington
    Compton
    Botham
    Knott

    Botham is at 6 because he provides genuine match winning potential, either with brutal batting or skilful swing bowling. Cannot leave him out.

    For my keeper I choose Alan Knott, a favourite of mine, high class keeper, decent bat, and I've heard he basically lived on a diet of milk and fruit. That kind of quirkiness is gold in the dressing rooms...

    That leaves four spots for bowlers. This is where I am most unsure. SF Barnes is a must. I feel Trueman probably is as well. Jim Laker is my first choice as a spinner, so the last spot must go to a quick, as Barnes is something between a quick and a spinner. Statham over Willis, Bedser and Snow for me.

    Jack Hobbs
    Sutcliffe or Hutton
    Wally Hammond
    Ken Barrington
    Dennis Compton
    Ian Botham
    Alan Knott
    Fred Trueman
    Brian Statham
    Jim Laker
    SF Barnes



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