The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Monk]

Best i've seen..


01. Gordon Greenidge
02. Mark Taylor (c)
03. Ricky Ponting
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Brian Lara
06. Viv Richards
07. Adam Gilchrist
08. Wasim Akram
09. Shane Warne
10. Curtly Ambrose
11. Glenn McGrath


Can vaguely remember Gavaskar, Imran, Hadlee, Kapil, Botham and Marshall and a few others, but they were all very close to the end when I became interested in cricket. Can distinctly remember Greenidge and Viv as some of my earliest cricket memories. As a kid in the 80s, I was in awe of the West Indies.

[hang on]

following on from sjs's have seen 11, my live at the ground one would be:

gavaskar
smith
richards
tendulkar
lara
sobers (i was far too young, but hey!)
gilchrist
marshall
ambrose
warne
murali


my live, including on tv

gavaskar
richards
richards
tendulkar
lara
sobers
gilchrist
marshall
lillee
ambrose
warne

[Jager]

Heaven eleven
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Victor Trumper
3. Archie Jackson
4. Alan Kippax
5. Keith Miller
6.
7. Don Tallon †
8.
9. Harold Larwood
10.
11. Arthur Mailey

Help me out here?

The players need to have passed away, been a joy to watch, less concerned about winning and more concerned about the joy of cricket, not malicious etc.

[Jager]

Compton is probably worthy of a slot in that side too

[Monk]

Originally Posted by Jager

Heaven eleven
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Victor Trumper
3. Archie Jackson
4. Alan Kippax
5. Keith Miller
6. Ranji
7. Don Tallon †
8. Tom Wills
9. Harold Larwood
10. Ted McDonald
11. Arthur Mailey

Help me out here?

The players need to have passed away, been a joy to watch, less concerned about winning and more concerned about the joy of cricket, not malicious etc.

....

[Jager]

Just read a little into Wills' personal life - will leave him out of the squad after that. I also want to include the master captain and gentleman, Frank Worrell.

Heaven eleven
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Victor Trumper
3. Archie Jackson
4. Alan Kippax
5. Keith Miller
6. Frank Worrell
7. Don Tallon †
8. Harold Larwood
9. Fazal Mahmood
10. Brian Statham
11. Arthur Mailey

12. Denis Compton

This goes close to being my favourite team I've ever put together.

[SJS]

Originally Posted by Jager

Just read a little into Wills' personal life - will leave him out of the squad after that. I also want to include the master captain and gentleman, Frank Worrell.

Heaven eleven
1. Jack Hobbs
2. Victor Trumper
3. Archie Jackson
4. Alan Kippax
5. Keith Miller
6. Frank Worrell
7. Don Tallon †
8. Harold Larwood
9. Fazal Mahmood
10. Brian Statham
11. Arthur Mailey

12. Denis Compton

This goes close to being my favourite team I've ever put together.

Lovely side. Delighted to see this.

Hobbs - Way above everyone else as an opening batsman and with Bradman a clear favourite amongst first picks in any all time side.

Trumper - Widely considered the greatest Australian batsman till Bradman started changing history and record books. The man was the first top order batsman to make a mockery of the "length ball"

Archie Jackson - Famously called by Cardus (I think) as the most gifted batsman of a generation which included Don himself.

Alan Kippax : The first great stylist to come from Australia. People went long distance just to see the beauty of his batsmanship.

Keith Miller : According to many the greatest all rounder for only he was, always good enough to play for Australia purely as a batsman at the same time as he was good enough to play for them as a bowler alone. The only other whose figures seem to suggest he should fit that category is Imran but those of us who have seen his entire career know it was divided into two parts. The first where he could have played for Pakistan purely as a bowler if he couldn't bat and the latter period where he could have played purely as batsman. The two periods almost never overlapped.

Frank Worrell - Probably West Indian cricket's greatest contribution to the game as well as the man who contributed most to West Indian cricket. Brilliant batsman, super fielder and one of the half a dozen greatest captains of a cricket side and perhaps the greatest leader of men to come from the game of cricket.

Don Tallon : Alongwith Bert Oldfield on top of the long list of fabulous wicket keepers to come out of Australia. The jury continues to be out on who was better between thse two though Bradman joining the side pleading for Tallon has done a lot to sway other members of the jury :o)

Harold Larwood : An absolutely inspired choice. In an era where stats confer greatness, the pick of the bowler who was made a scape goat to the politics of the bodyline series. Bradman's figures may or may not have had the magical 99.9 attached to them but had Larwood played in the 1934 Ashes series and beyond for England, I have no doubt Bradman's legacy would have been greater and the subsequent battles between these two giants would have been the stuff for the Gods.

Fazal Mehmood : Pakistan has produced, in Imran, Waqar and Wasim world class fast bowlers to stand proudly alongside the great Australians and the unending line of West Indians of the 70's and 80's but much before that, the young nation stepping into the game produced on to stand proudly alongside Bedser (a contemporary) and those like Maurice Tate from an earlier era. Fazal on his day was almost unplayable.

Brian Statham : Imagine Glen Mcgrath, the same nagging length but faster with occasional head-knocking bouncers and the ability to bowl at that level of aggression and accuracy for as long as the side needs. But for being the partner of the volatile and in-your-face Trueman Statham would be recalled by today's generation much more easily than they appear to do - the loss is theirs.

Arthur Mailey A colourful but controversial figure. Mailey was the world's leading leg spinner till the legendary Grimmett made his debut at a late age. O'Reilly followed and soon Mailey was no more ruling the roost.

Dennis Compton Alongwith Miller, the pin up boy of world cricket in the years just before and after the last world war. Compton batted till the end like a school boy out to enjoy the game in the sun. Needless to say that attitude coupled with his awesome talent gave immense joy and he was one of the world cricket's super stars in the post war era.

[watson]

Originally Posted by Monk

Cricket Archives | DVD | ABC Shop


Not sure if you've seen this Watson, but you'd enjoy it. Can't remember if it has McCabe on it, but I'll watch it again soon and let you know. Has limited footage of Trumper, Archie Jackson, Clem Hill etc. Fair bit of Bradman, Miller, Lindwall....

Purchased and on it's way. Thanks.

[watson]

Originally Posted by SJS

Lovely side. Delighted to see this.

Hobbs - Way above everyone else as an opening batsman and with Bradman a clear favourite amongst first picks in any all time side.

Trumper - Widely considered the greatest Australian batsman till Bradman started changing history and record books. The man was the first top order batsman to make a mockery of the "length ball"

Archie Jackson - Famously called by Cardus (I think) as the most gifted batsman of a generation which included Don himself.

Alan Kippax : The first great stylist to come from Australia. People went long distance just to see the beauty of his batsmanship.

Keith Miller : According to many the greatest all rounder for only he was, always good enough to play for Australia purely as a batsman at the same time as he was good enough to play for them as a bowler alone. The only other whose figures seem to suggest he should fit that category is Imran but those of us who have seen his entire career know it was divided into two parts. The first where he could have played for Pakistan purely as a bowler if he couldn't bat and the latter period where he could have played purely as batsman. The two periods almost never overlapped.

Frank Worrell - Probably West Indian cricket's greatest contribution to the game as well as the man who contributed most to West Indian cricket. Brilliant batsman, super fielder and one of the half a dozen greatest captains of a cricket side and perhaps the greatest leader of men to come from the game of cricket.

Don Tallon : Alongwith Bert Oldfield on top of the long list of fabulous wicket keepers to come out of Australia. The jury continues to be out on who was better between thse two though Bradman joining the side pleading for Tallon has done a lot to sway other members of the jury :o)

Harold Larwood : An absolutely inspired choice. In an era where stats confer greatness, the pick of the bowler who was made a scape goat to the politics of the bodyline series. Bradman's figures may or may not have had the magical 99.9 attached to them but had Larwood played in the 1934 Ashes series and beyond for England, I have no doubt Bradman's legacy would have been greater and the subsequent battles between these two giants would have been the stuff for the Gods.

Fazal Mehmood : Pakistan has produced, in Imran, Waqar and Wasim world class fast bowlers to stand proudly alongside the great Australians and the unending line of West Indians of the 70's and 80's but much before that, the young nation stepping into the game produced on to stand proudly alongside Bedser (a contemporary) and those like Maurice Tate from an earlier era. Fazal on his day was almost unplayable.

Brian Statham : Imagine Glen Mcgrath, the same nagging length but faster with occasional head-knocking bouncers and the ability to bowl at that level of aggression and accuracy for as long as the side needs. But for being the partner of the volatile and in-your-face Trueman Statham would be recalled by today's generation much more easily than they appear to do - the loss is theirs.

Arthur Mailey A colourful but controversial figure. Mailey was the world's leading leg spinner till the legendary Grimmett made his debut at a late age. O'Reilly followed and soon Mailey was no more ruling the roost.

Dennis Compton Alongwith Miller, the pin up boy of world cricket in the years just before and after the last world war. Compton batted till the end like a school boy out to enjoy the game in the sun. Needless to say that attitude coupled with his awesome talent gave immense joy and he was one of the world cricket's super stars in the post war era.

Mailey was the world's leading leg-spin googly bowler until Shane Warne came along.

[Monk]

Originally Posted by watson

Purchased and on it's way. Thanks.

Good one. Highly recommended!

[SJS]

Originally Posted by watson

Mailey was the world's leading leg-spin googly bowler until Shane Warne came along.

subject of debate

:o))

[hang on]

Originally Posted by watson

Mailey was the world's leading leg-spin googly bowler until Shane Warne came along.

gupte, qadir, chandrashekhar (though he was sui generis)?

[smalishah84]

Originally Posted by watson

Mailey was the world's leading leg-spin googly bowler until Shane Warne came along.

Shane Warne's googly was pretty bad

[vic_orthdox]

Originally Posted by smalishah84

Shane Warne's googly was pretty bad

"Leg-spin googly" is the old school term used to describe a leg-spin bowler.

[smalishah84]