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    The argument about the relative skills of keepers like Gilchrist, Kirmani, Knott, Evans, and Tallon can never be fully resolved because there are no satisfactory statistics like Average, Strike Rate, Economy Rate, etc etc to help settle the debate. I'm not saying that statistics are everything, but they are certainly a good guide.

    We could look at things like the average number of byes conceded per Test, or dismissals per Test, but ultimately they depend too much on the quality of bowling, the type of bowling, and the pitch conditions. In other words, if **** bowlers consistently bowl the ball 2 metres wide of the stumps then there's not much even the classiest keeper can do to prevent byes, or complete a dismissal.

    So all have to go by when assessing someones keeping skills is the personal testimonies of the batsman and bowlers they played with/against, as well as the opinions of expert commentators and writers.

    That being said, I've heard few experts rave about the keeping skills of Gilchrist. You get a nod of approval to the question "was he very good", but generally nothing more than that. However, it is not difficult to find articles raving about the sheer brilliance of Kirmani, Knott, Evans, and Tallon. Whether you agree or disagree with all the raving is not the point. The fact that it has been written ad nauseum has to mean something significant.
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    Seen Kirmani. He aint all that. Difference btwn Gilly and Knott is about the same as that btwn Knott and Taylor which wasn't enough for Taylor to get him selected over Knott.

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    Gilchrist falls behind in technique but not in performance, there's a reason why a lot of people place him in their all time XI and it can't simply be that his batting was so far ahead if he was only a very good keeper. they must consider him top tier or near to it to even consider him in their all time team otherwise it'd just he silly picking him.

    Probably isn't raved about because he wasn't as technically correct, he also came just after Healy who was a tremendous keeper with top technique.
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    Healy is one guy kind of in underrated/forgotten in my opinion. Used to love watching him keep. If you're talking Tallon/Evans purist glovework kinda stuff, Healy belongs in the conversation


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    Yeah, good point about Healy.
    Incidentally I wonder had WW2 not interfered whether Tallon's batting would have stayed at a higher level it was in the shield, and be able to bring that form to tests? It's difficult when amongst the Imvincibles his runs weren't often required
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    All Time England Foodstuffs XI

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    Embarrassing Surnames XI

    Graeme Fowler
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    Peter Willey
    Gary Pratt
    David Cock
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    Ron Hooker
    Harry Butt+
    Arthur Mold
    E. W. Bastard
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    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Puh-lease. AbdV, Kallis and McGrath the ones to beat on this point.
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    what? how come?

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    Quote Originally Posted by a massive zebra View Post
    Embarrassing Surnames XI

    Graeme Fowler
    Arthur Fagg
    Jack Crapp
    Peter Willey
    Gary Pratt
    David Cock
    Reg Sinfield
    Ron Hooker
    Harry Butt+
    Arthur Mold
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    sidebottom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Puh-lease. AbdV, Kallis and McGrath the ones to beat on this point.
    really? I agree all three are ATG cricketers. but imran is more than an ATG. he is actually one of only four legitimate contenders for the title of the greatest cricketer of all time (braddles, soby, doctor being the other three). even if that is not agreeable to you, you will agree that imran must have floored the maximum number of hotties around the globe. good enough to be my role model.
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    If I wanted to be reborn as a Test cricketer, make me ABdV or Keith Miller any day.
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    Hobbs
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    Viv plummeting down my list while Steyn is now my second choice pacer. Barnes in for hadlee with murali in for warne every other day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    If I wanted to be reborn as a Test cricketer, make me ABdV or Keith Miller any day.
    I can understand Miller but ABDV?



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