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    No need to have ABDV if Dhoni is in the team
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    I was thinking about this today; At what point do we start having ABDv as a legitimate candidate to replace Gilchirst in the keeper-batsman role in a world XI? I think he's a lot more versatile batsman than Gilchrist and is somebody I like more coming in at No.6 regardless of whether the score is 60/4 or 385/4. Based on seeing them both play, I think he's also more likely to have success against high quality bowling in a variety of conditions. He averages 57 over 21 tests as the designated keeper and most of it has been against a high standard of opposition. Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teja. View Post
    I was thinking about this today; At what point do we start having ABDv as a legitimate candidate to replace Gilchirst in the keeper-batsman role in a world XI? I think he's a lot more versatile batsman than Gilchrist and is somebody I like more coming in at No.6 regardless of whether the score is 60/4 or 385/4. Based on seeing them both play, I think he's also more likely to have success against high quality bowling in a variety of conditions. He averages 57 over 21 tests as the designated keeper and most of it has been against a high standard of opposition. Thoughts?
    Even if he retired tomorrow I think I'd have de Villiers down as the better batsman of the two - with the gloves or without. Gilchrist was just such a better gloveman though that de Villiers would really have to improve in that area; he'd probably find his way into the side on batting alone before he offered a better batting+keeping package than Gilchrist at his standard level of glovework.

    I actually regard Andy Flower as a better batsman than Gilchrist but leave him out for similar reasons. Gilchrist's glove-work tends to be really under-rated in these discussions for some reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Even if he retired tomorrow I think I'd have de Villiers down as the better batsman of the two - with the gloves or without. Gilchrist was just such a better gloveman though that de Villiers would really have to improve in that area; he'd probably find his way into the side on batting alone before he offered a better batting+keeping package than Gilchrist at his standard level of glovework.

    I actually regard Andy Flower as a better batsman than Gilchrist but leave him out for similar reasons. Gilchrist's glove-work tends to be really under-rated in these discussions for some reason.
    That's interesting. If ABdV goes down as the best bat of the Clarke-KP-Amla era but just outside Hammond-Hobbs-Sachin etc., you'd still Gilchrist for his superior keeping?

    I rate Gilchrist as a test bat a lot less than you, I guess. I think he'd be one of the bats who'd suffer the most disproportionately from a hypothetical marked increase in quality of bowling across the world.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Teja. View Post
    I think he'd be one of the bats who'd suffer the most disproportionately from a hypothetical marked increase in quality of bowling across the world.
    I agree really. I just don't think de Villiers's glovework would really cut it at that level either. I think what you rate higher than me is de Villiers's keeping.

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    What I would say though is that de Villiars keeping is continuing to improve by leaps while his batting surprisingly isn't suffering as a result. If he can keep that up for a couple more years, he will have a shot to supplant Gilly and anyone else.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Gilchrist was one of the most destructive batsmen in cricket history. He could turn a tight game overwhelmingly in Australia's favour inside a session. At no point would I have DeVilliers, Flower, Knott, Ames, Lindsay or anyone over him and would be stoked if you had 1st chance to pick him in a draft but overlooked him.
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    Here is John Arlott's "Desert Island" cricket XI. According to Arlott it is a team "of angels I will most enjoy watching in heaven."

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Mike Brearley
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Ted Dexter
    05. Keith Miller
    06. Ian Botham
    07. George Brown +
    08. Learie Constantine
    09. Wilfred Rhodes
    10. Jim Laker
    11. Wes Hall
    12th. Basil D'Oliveira

    Cricketing pioneer John Arlott died 10 years ago | Sport | The Guardian
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    Arlott and Brearley got on extremely well, and indeed back in the 80s a book containing their conversations was published - I reckon JA only selected him for this exercise because he knew he'd be back in the pavilion almost straight away after going out to bat, and they'd be able to carry their convivial quaffing of a vintage Beaujolais
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Arlott and Brearley got on extremely well, and indeed back in the 80s a book containing their conversations was published - I reckon JA only selected him for this exercise because he knew he'd be back in the pavilion almost straight away after going out to bat, and they'd be able to carry their convivial quaffing of a vintage Beaujolais
    Surely a worthy criteria for selecting an opening batsman?

    George Brown seems quite a character as well as a reasonable bat - opened for England during the Gregory/McDonald series and averaged 50.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Arlott and Brearley got on extremely well, and indeed back in the 80s a book containing their conversations was published - I reckon JA only selected him for this exercise because he knew he'd be back in the pavilion almost straight away after going out to bat, and they'd be able to carry their convivial quaffing of a vintage Beaujolais
    Given that he would be watching from heaven (or wherever else he ended up), that would be a feat of notable achievement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Here is John Arlott's "Desert Island" cricket XI. According to Arlott it is a team "of angels I will most enjoy watching in heaven."

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Mike Brearley
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Ted Dexter
    05. Keith Miller
    06. Ian Botham
    07. George Brown +
    08. Learie Constantine
    09. Wilfred Rhodes
    10. Jim Laker
    11. Wes Hall
    12th. Basil D'Oliveira

    Cricketing pioneer John Arlott died 10 years ago | Sport | The Guardian

    My desert island XI would be something like:

    Barry Richards
    Brian Lara
    Viv Richards
    Mark Waugh
    Victor Trumper
    Colin Cowdrey
    Adam Gilchrist
    Wasim Akram
    Dennis Lillee
    Michael Holding
    Bishen Bedi

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    My desert island XI might be:

    1 Barry Richards
    2 Viv Richards
    3 Brian Lara
    4 Darren Lehmann
    5 Mike Procter
    6 Ian Botham
    7 Adam Gilchrist
    8 Shakib Al Hasan
    9 Malcolm Marshall
    10 Michael Holding
    11 Courtney Walsh

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    Mine would be:

    Hobbs
    Gilchrist
    Richards
    Pollock
    Sangakkara
    Sobers
    Procter
    Akram
    Warne
    Johnson
    Barnes
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath



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