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    Davo would make my list even if I only named 20 I think.
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    You can tell Crowe doesn't earn a living from writing as he has conspicuously failed to make any controversial selections - was expecting to see Ewen Chatfield's name there

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Nah, there are ample reasons to go for Wasim over Imran as a pure bowler. After a great peak, Imran never got around to be the spearhead of the attack again after injury, even though he still had stellar figures to show for this period anyway. So perhaps that impression has been left in everyone's head that as a pure bowler, Wasim had a better career than Imran. This is not totally incorrect either. Plus, Wasim did produce more magic than Imran on the pitch. I think even Smali would admit to that.
    Sure Wasim produced more magical deliveries than Imran but you are wrong on the count that Imran wasn't the spearhead of the attack post injury. He was the spearhead of the attack until the 88-89 series against the WI. IT is only after that that Wasim took over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    I'd like to see Davidson and Lindwall in there too. But I guess there are only 50 spots. Kumble the obvious one who could make way.
    Lindwall, Davidson, Sangakkara, Steyn in for Kumble, Dravid, Bedser and Evans would be my choices but nothing really to quibble about too much.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3


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    3 XI's

    Ashes (Australia + England)
    Jack Hobbs
    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Don Bradman*
    Wally Hammond
    Greg Chappell
    Allan Border
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Sydney Barnes
    Glenn McGrath

    Yes, no Miller or Botham. With a tail of Warne/Lillee/Barnes/McGrath, I went with Border for the extra stability.

    Asia (India + Pakistan + Sri Lanka + Bangladesh)
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Kumar Sangakkara+
    Javed Miandad
    Imran Khan*
    Kapil Dev
    Wasim Akram
    Waqar Younis
    Muttiah Muralitharan

    Managed to have both Imran and Kapil in here, really think this team has great chemistry.

    Rest of the World
    Barry Richards
    Gordon Greenidge
    George Headley
    Graeme Pollock
    Brian Lara
    Garry Sobers
    Andy Flower+
    Mike Procter
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Curtly Ambrose

    This team does fall a bit short on spin, though both Sobers and Procter can turn it. Nobody from WI/SA/NZ/ZIM comes anywhere near Warne or Murali anyway.
    Last edited by Coronis; 15-04-2014 at 02:18 PM.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Australia/England XI

    J. Hobbs
    L. Hutton
    D. Bradman *
    G.Chappell
    W. Hammond
    I. Botham
    A. Knott +
    S. Warne
    D. Lillee
    F. Trueman
    G. McGrath

    12th- K Miller

    Asia XI

    S. Gavaskar
    F. Engineer +
    K. Sangakkara
    S. Tendulkar
    J. Miandad
    V. Hazare
    K. Dev
    I. Khan *
    W. Akram
    B.S. Chandrasekhar
    M. Muralitharan

    12th- W. Younis

    Rest of World

    B. Richards
    G. Greenidge
    G. Headley
    B. Lara
    V. Richards *
    G. Sobers
    M. Procter
    J. Waite +
    R. Hadlee
    M. Marshall
    C. Ambrose

    12th- H. Tayfield
    Last edited by Monk; 15-04-2014 at 02:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    3 XI's

    Ashes (Australia + England)
    Jack Hobbs
    Herbert Sutcliffe
    Don Bradman*
    Wally Hammond
    Greg Chappell
    Allan Border
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Sydney Barnes
    Glenn McGrath

    Yes, no Miller or Botham. With a tail of Warne/Lillee/Barnes/McGrath, I went with Border for the extra stability.

    Asia (India + Pakistan + Sri Lanka + Bangladesh)
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Virender Sehwag
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Kumar Sangakkara+
    Javed Miandad
    Imran Khan*
    Kapil Dev
    Wasim Akram
    Waqar Younis
    Muttiah Muralitharan

    Managed to have both Imran and Kapil in here, really think this team has great chemistry.

    Rest of the World
    Barry Richards
    Gordon Greenidge
    George Headley
    Brian Lara
    Jacques Kallis
    Garry Sobers
    Andy Flower+
    Mike Procter
    Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Curtly Ambrose

    This team does fall a bit short on spin, though both Sobers and Procter can turn it. Nobody from WI/SA/NZ/ZIM comes anywhere near Warne or Murali anyway.
    So what really do you have against Vivian Richards?

    He is comfortably a better batsman than Kallis and let's be honest Hammond and Pollock as well.

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    Viv = Chandra's bunny

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    Ashes XI
    Sir Jack Hobbs
    Sir Leonard Hutton
    Sir Donald Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Walter Hammond
    Alan Border
    Adam Gilchrist
    Shane Warne
    Fred Trueman
    Dennis Lillee
    Glenn McGrath

    Ricky Ponting

    Subcontinent XI
    Sunil Gavaskar
    Vijay Merchant
    Kumar Sangakkara
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Javed Miandad
    Vijay Hazare
    Farokh Engineer
    Imran Khan
    Wasim Akram
    Waqar Younis
    Muttiah Muralitharan

    Kapil Dev

    Rest of the World XI
    Barry Richards
    Gordon Greenidge
    George Headley
    Sir I.V.A. Richards
    Brian Lara
    Sir Garfield Sobers
    John Waite
    Sir Richard Hadlee
    Malcolm Marshall
    Hugh Tayfield
    Sir Curtly Ambrose

    Jacques Kallis

    Sub continent team probably the hardest to select, all three are really strong teams. Hard to call a winner.
    Last edited by kyear2; 15-04-2014 at 05:52 PM.

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    Oh **** forgot Pollock. Oh and also, don't have much of a thing for Viv due to him only averaging 45 for the entire second half of his career...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    don't have much of a thing for Viv due to him only averaging 45 for the entire second half of his career...
    He was seriously unreal.

    I shiver, thinking how easy it is to be totally wrong about people - to see one tiny part of them and confuse it for the whole, to see the cause and think its the effect or vice versa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    He was seriously unreal.

    I know he was great at his peak, quite possibly the most destructive batsman ever, I just don't rate him as highly as others due to his decline

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    And Pollock didn't get a chance to decline because he career lasted 20 Tests over 5 years? As for Viv averaging 45 over the second half of his career, how many averaged more over that period and compare the bowlers he faced even during that time to the ones faced by Hammond and Pollock, who somehow managed to miss facing every great fast bowler of his era and when he did face Lillee, he basically said Pollock wasn't comfortable vs the short stuff. Hammond for his part struggled against the only real pace attack he faced and it wasn't that great.
    If Viv had retired after the same amount of tests as Chappell (when he admittedly should have) his average would also have been over 53 and if he hadn't missed two years in his absolute prime when he was playing WSC, his record would have been even more impressive.

    To each their own, I just don't get the logic.

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    Australia XI

    Arthur Morris
    Bob Simpson
    Don Bradman
    Greg Chappell
    Ricky Ponting
    Alan Border
    Adam Gilchrist
    Alan Davidson
    Shane Warne
    Dennis Lillee
    Glenn McGrath

    Keith Miller
    Bill O'Reilly

    W.I XI

    Gordon Greenidge
    Conrad Hunte
    George Headley
    Viv Richards
    Brian Lara
    Garry Sobers
    Clyde Walcott
    Malcolm Marshall
    Michael Holding
    Curtly Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Lance Gibbs
    Frank Worrell

    S.A XI

    Barry Richards
    Graeme Smith
    Hashim Amla
    Graeme Pollock
    Jacques Kallis
    Dudley Nourse
    John Waite
    Mike Procter
    Hugh Tayfield
    Dale Steyn
    Allan Donald

    Aubrey Faulkner
    Herbie Taylor

    England XI

    Len Hutton
    Jack Hobbs
    Wally Hammond
    Denis Compton
    Ken Barrington
    Ian Botham
    Allan Knott
    Fred Trueman
    Harold Larwood
    Jim Laker
    Syd Barnes

    Peter May
    Derek Underwood

    Who would win guys?

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