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    I considered that, yeah. The way I designed my team was that it has two bowlers to share the fifth bowling spot - Miller will bowl like a hurricane as the first change but after that, Sobers will take over as the ball starts to get very old.

    This will allow Miller to primarily focus on his batting and reduce his soreness by a great deal, so I'd predict he'd sway towards being a 45-50 averaging batsman as he's not being dragged down by a heavy workload.

    Barry Richards would (in my eyes) have averaged 60+ in test cricket, and he would have been a great first drop - he's only there so Hobbs and Sutcliffe can continue their prolific partnership
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    07. Mike Proctor
    08. Don Tallon
    09. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Shane Warne
    11. Bill O'Reilly
    Len Hutton - Jack Hobbs - Ted Dexter - David Gower - Walter Hammond - Frank Woolley - Ian Botham - Alan Knott - Hedley Verity - John Snow - Fred Trueman

    Victor Trumper - Bill Lawry - Don Bradman - Greg Chappell - Allan Border - Keith Miller - Adam Gilchrist - Alan Davidson - Shane Warne - Dennis Lillee - Glenn McGrath

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    Bloody hell, it's almost too hard.

    My list of bowlers who I almost need to have in my first XI (otherwise I feel like there's a gross lack of justice)

    Fast: Larwood, Marshall, Ambrose, Waqar, Imran, Davidson, Procter
    Slow: Verity, Warne, O'Reilly

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    Oh ****, I forgot Donald and McGrath


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    Miller and Tallon severly weakens your top seven, Barry Richards never batted at three and Sutcliffe isn't even England best #2 opener, that has to go to Hutton who I believe was better. So playing Sutcliffe is like playing Haynes with Greenidge even though Hunte was better. Playing Miller as a joint 5th bowler only makes sense if you are playing two spinners who would not be as effective as three front line pacers.
    Looking forward to seeing your full team.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    That's all your opinion apart from Richards

    Reckon he would gun it there though.

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    Its my opnion that Tendulkar, Richards, Pollock, Chappell, Headley, Lara would not be stronger batting iptions at 5 than Miller?

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    Of course they would, but a team isn't just a bunch of individuals, it's a working unit, so Miller as captain and bowling short bursts would be extremely useful. It will allow him to focus on his batting too. Also I think saying that having two spinners is 'less effective' is just plain wrong, especially these days where nearly every batsman is an absolute muppet against spin.

    Hobbs and Sutcliffe averaged something like 87 runs per opening stand with near-telepathic running between wickets - can't fault that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Definitely unique with some interesting ideas.

    I know it sounds odd, but do you think the top 7 is a bit light because of both Miller and Tallon?

    I'm a lot more boring;

    01. Sunny Gavaskar
    02. Jack Hobbs
    03. Don Bradman
    04. Brian Lara
    05. Vivian Richards
    06. Garfield Sobers
    07. Adam Gilchrist
    08. Imran Khan
    09. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Shane Warne
    11. Dennis Lillee

    12th Richard Hadlee
    Yep, this is the team I would prefer minus Lilee. Might want to put in McG or Ambrose in there. This is pretty much Richie Benaud's team isn't it?
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    If Bradman is not allowed I would replace him with Archie Jackson or Wally Hammond FTR

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    Benaud had Tendulkar and Barnes instead of Lara and Marshall. Marshall didnt even make his 6 man short list

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Benaud had Tendulkar and Barnes instead of Lara and Marshall. Marshall didnt even make his 6 man short list
    Tbh there isn't much between the top tier fast bowlers and I wouldn't grudge Richie for not including Marshall.

    After all Marshall was very outstanding for maybe 6 to 7 years of his career. He started off pretty slowly and wasn't all that flash for the first 5 years of his career or so. And the last 2 years of his career didn't go that well either (comparing to himself of course) so you are looking at somebody like Ponting (to take a batting example)

    last 2 years

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    first 5 years

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    1. Hobbs
    2. Hutton
    3. Bradman
    4. Tendulkar
    5. Richards V
    6. Sobers
    7. Gilchrist/Andy Flower
    8. Lillee
    9. Murali
    10. Barnes
    11. Grimmett


    12th Man : Jonty Rhodes
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    Lillee as your only only out right pacer is a bit risky and places more burden on Sobers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I've sorted my ATG XI batting line-up. Choosing the bowling lineup is far more complicated...

    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Herbert Sutcliffe
    3. Barry Richards
    4. Don Bradman
    5. Keith Miller
    6. Garfield Sobers
    7. Don Tallon
    I don't mind this. I don't think Miller weakens it, but adds to it. And considering the other names around him, pretty impressive. Tough top six.

    Is your choice of Tallon based purely on the fact that you think he is the best wicketkeeper of all time?

    Maybe you could go......


    1. Jack Hobbs
    2. Herbert Sutcliffe
    3. Barry Richards
    4. Don Bradman
    5. Keith Miller
    6. Garfield Sobers
    7. Imran or Procter
    8. Don Tallon
    9. Marshall
    10. Warne
    11. O'Reilly


    Imran or Procter at 7 looks better to me than Tallon.
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