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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    ( no team has ever fielded 11 individuals simultaneously who can merit a case for their national XI)
    Yeah.. apart from every single Test side that has played a Test match ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    Yeah.. apart from every single Test side that has played a Test match ever.
    Oops,i meant alltime XI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    Oops,i meant alltime XI.
    I could be annoying/awesome and show you at least 10 instances of teams which have fielded 11 players who would at the time of the Test arguably make their ATG National XI, but I wont subject you to it.
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    muloghonto, you have a smudge on your glasses
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    I could be annoying/awesome and show you at least 10 instances of teams which have fielded 11 players who would at the time of the Test arguably make their ATG National XI, but I wont subject you to it.
    post it!
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    Greenidge
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    post it!
    He just means every country's first Test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    1. Again, the stats as they stand, are irrelevant from a statistical point of view. This is mathematically indisputable, so I'd suggest you do not try to buttress your point by drawing insignificant numbers from the hat.

    2. The fact that there arn't many at test level argues towards many things. One of them being, the test arena is *NOT* the complete arena of batsmanship that is intrinsically the objective of this thread. If you want to argue the point that a format that predominantly provides oppotunity to hunker down for a batsman, is the guage of whether a batsman is easy or hard to contain, then it shows the limited scope of your argument. Test cricket does not put an onus on the batsman to avoid getting contained.

    3. Would've played more tests has many factors than simply, skills. To assume that every single cricketer who did not play many tests, is solely a factor of skill (and its inverse), would demonstrate a complete lack of awareness to many variables that otherwise impact selection of players.

    4. I won't even begin to address the logical absurdity of the last two sentences of your post.
    Look bud: You can't even comprehend that I was retelling Hutton's opinion not offering my own. You dishonestly tried to pass your assessment of Amre as his own. Its a bit rich of you to criticise too mightily about data sets when you have NONE to back your opinion of Amre.

    I'm not limiting the discussion to any form of cricket. You did that by inviting us to consider Nadkarni's ER at test and FC level. So your second para isn't in response to any point I made. Its just another red herring. To humour you lets look at his overall record anyway. Amre's ODI SR is mediocre as is his ListA record. FC record nothing out of the ordinary for Indian conditions. He didn't play t20. His test record shows he couldn't compete at higher standards. You got anything else? How good was he at French cricket? Entertain us with an anecdote about that...

    Loved your para 3. Yeah he could've failed for any reason. Might have been a bed wetter: Who knows. BUT - you said it was down to the fact he couldn't play pace bowling: Remember? So I've just held you accountable to that assessment.

    The logical absurdity was comparing Amre to Kallis in the first place and I note it was you who made the comparison.
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    Alright, this discussion is going around and around in circles. Let's drop it, hey?

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    Mungo, Big baby has a point about the Hutton opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Alright, this discussion is going around and around in circles. Let's drop it, hey?
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    Mungo, Big baby has a point about the Hutton opinion.
    Hey hey hey AN. Respect da mods

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    Big Baby: Hey AN my boy was looking over my shoulder as I was reading your post. He told me to give you the angry smiley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    I have played against Amre. amongst many others. He was a wasted talent but cricket in India in the 80s was not strictly professional either: if you didnt make it to the national team, you still needed some form of income augumentation, aka reducing you to a part time cricketer or a seasonal cricketer at best.
    Or fixing some odds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    Big Baby: Hey AN my boy was looking over my shoulder as I was reading your post. He told me to give you the angry smiley.
    That's your official name now.

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    Fair enough. I can live with it. My boy's in good form today. He spilled some soup at lunch and I told him to get a sponge and clean it up. He said; "OK; but just this once".
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