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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

weldone

Hall of Fame Member
Jeff Thomson was yesterday asked to rank 5 of the greatest batsmen he bowled to, and he came up with this:
1. Greg Chappell,
2. Viv Richards,
3. Barry Richards,
4. Sunil Gavaskar,
5. Mohinder Amarnath.
 

MrPrez

International Debutant
A match-up between subcontinent and others during teh last 40 years.

Subcontinent
Virender Sehwag
Sunil Gavaskar
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Javed Miandad
Kumar Sangakkara+
Imran Khan*
Kapil Dev
Wasim Akram
Waqar Younis
Muttiah Muralitharan

Others
Graham Gooch
Gordon Greenidge
Viv Richards*
Brian Lara
Greg Chappell
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist+
Richard Hadlee
Malcolm Marshall
Shane Warne
Curtly Ambrose
McGrath for Ambrose, and someone for Gooch. No way is he one of the top two openers in recent times. Heck, I'd probably take Graeme Smith over him.
 

kyear2

Cricketer Of The Year
Jeff Thomson was yesterday asked to rank 5 of the greatest batsmen he bowled to, and he came up with this:
1. Greg Chappell,
2. Viv Richards,
3. Barry Richards,
4. Sunil Gavaskar,
5. Mohinder Amarnath.
Thomson was well known to rate Greg Chappell very highly.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
yeah Greg Chappell was good but difficult to rate him better than Viv (unless one resorts purely to spreadsheets)
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
I don't reckon it's absurd to rate Chappell above Viv really, especially considering how well Chappell fared against Viv's own team's bowling attack...
 

watson

Banned
Played for.....

ST. GEORGE CRICKET CLUB
01. Arthur Morris
02. Bill Watson
03. Don Bradman *
04. Norm O'Neill
05. Brian Booth
06. Guy Seymour +
07. Moises Henriques
08. Ray Lindwall
09. Josh Hazlewood
10. Bill O'Reilly
11. Stuart McGill
 

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Outstanding. That would beat most normal test teams ever assembled.
 

watson

Banned
Josh Hazlewood has kicked-on. Guy Seymour has recently come across from Fairfield-Liverpool and is a talented wicketkeeper batsman. Hopefully they'll give him a go for NSW in a year or three.
 
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a massive zebra

International Captain
I don't reckon it's absurd to rate Chappell above Viv really, especially considering how well Chappell fared against Viv's own team's bowling attack...
It really depends how we measure greatness. Viv Richards is often rated as the better batsman, probably because his very best innings touched the confines of genius and cemented a permanent place in the memories of those who were lucky enough to view them in a way Greg Chappell could only approach; but, it is worth noting that in the 22 five day matches from 1975 to 1980 in which they both played, Greg Chappell averaged 64.2 to Richards 55.7, even though Richards was at the peak of his career and was also facing a less hostile attack.
 

watson

Banned
Chappell dropped himself from the 1981 Ashes tour to England because of 'burn-out', and was obviously still not mentally ready for international cricket the following Australian summer because he showed dismal form against the touring West Indies. From memory he made 6 or 7 ducks in a row duringTests and ODIs. Shades of Agit Agarkar.

However, those 2 seasons aside Chappell was a superb player of fast bowling. If Viv Richards used a baseball bat against opposing quicks then Chappell used the surgeons scalpel. And both were equally effective even if their methods were different.

Assuming that both batsman were in peak mental form I reckon that there wouldn't be a hairs breadth between the two batsman.
 

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