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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Boonie?
    He opens in place of Papps, Nasir dropped for a batsman-wicketkeeper. Who would fit in that role?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    no one except pews likes papps
    "I am very happy and it will allow me to have lot more rice."

    Eoin Morgan on being given a rice cooker for being Man of the Match in a Dhaka Premier Division game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    He opens in place of Papps, Nasir dropped for a batsman-wicketkeeper. Who would fit in that role?
    Solved the dilemma:

    1. David Boon
    2. Andrew Hall +
    3. Arjuna Ranatunga *
    4. Inzamam-ul-Haq
    5. Chris Harris
    6. Andrew Flintoff
    7. Ajit Agarkar
    8. Merv Hughes
    9. Jeetan Patel
    10. Phil Tufnell
    11. Chris Martin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    He opens in place of Papps, Nasir dropped for a batsman-wicketkeeper. Who would fit in that role?
    Alan Knott has cult status with me considering I think he lived on a diet of milk and fruit.
    I shiver, thinking how easy it is to be totally wrong about people - to see one tiny part of them and confuse it for the whole, to see the cause and think its the effect or vice versa.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Looking at Watson's signature and he has 5 superb teams. Not identical to what by selections would be, but close enough. Which would have the best chance of winning a competition between them.

    PRE WWI
    Grace-Trumper-Hill-Taylor-Ranjitsinhji-Faulkner-Noble-Lilley-Turner-Richardson-Barnes
    PRE WWII
    Hobbs-Sutcliffe-Bradman-Hammond-Headley-Macartney-Ames-Gregory-Larwood-O'Reilly-Grimmett
    POST WWII
    Hutton-Simpson-Kanhai-Pollock-Harvey-Sobers-Waite-Benaud-Davidson-Lindwall-Trueman
    PACKER ERA
    Gavaskar-Greenidge-Richards-Chappell-Lloyd-Botham-Imran-Knott-Lillee-Holding-Underwood
    MODERN ERA
    Hayden-Langer-Ponting-Tendulkar-Lara-Kallis-Gilchrist-Marshall-Warne-Ambrose-McGrath
    Modern era team has best bowling attack....i mean the barrage would be endless. Apart from arguably weaker openers, the batting would be amazing.

    Packer era team is the weakest imo.

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    The pre WW2 batting lineup is seriously disturbing
    Cause Slifer said so.........!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Looking at Watson's signature and he has 5 superb teams. Not identical to what by selections would be, but close enough. Which would have the best chance of winning a competition between them.

    PRE WWI
    Grace-Trumper-Hill-Taylor-Ranjitsinhji-Faulkner-Noble-Lilley-Turner-Richardson-Barnes
    PRE WWII
    Hobbs-Sutcliffe-Bradman-Hammond-Headley-Macartney-Ames-Gregory-Larwood-O'Reilly-Grimmett
    POST WWII
    Hutton-Simpson-Kanhai-Pollock-Harvey-Sobers-Waite-Benaud-Davidson-Lindwall-Trueman
    PACKER ERA
    Gavaskar-Greenidge-Richards-Chappell-Lloyd-Botham-Imran-Knott-Lillee-Holding-Underwood
    MODERN ERA
    Hayden-Langer-Ponting-Tendulkar-Lara-Kallis-Gilchrist-Marshall-Warne-Ambrose-McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slifer View Post
    The pre WW2 batting lineup is seriously disturbing
    Yeah, PRE-WW2 vs MODERN would be the match to see.

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    Post WWII (alltime):

    Gavaskar
    Sehwag
    Richards
    Tendulkar
    Lara
    Sobers
    Gillchrist
    Akram
    Marshall
    Ambrose/Kumble(pace/spin wicket)
    Muralitharan

    1970-1990:

    Gavaskar
    Greenidge
    Richards
    G.Chappell
    Lloyd
    Knott
    Imran
    Marshall
    Holding
    Lillee/Prasanna (pace/spin wicket)
    Chandrasekhar


    1990-present:

    Sehwag
    Langer
    Lara
    Tendulkar
    Kallis
    Dravid
    Gillchrist
    Akram
    Ambrose
    Steyn/Kumble(pace/spin wicket)
    Muralitharan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Second Spitter View Post
    Yeah, PRE-WW2 vs MODERN would be the match to see.
    Disagree. Except for Bradman, everyone would either be dead or in the hospital thanks to Marshall and Ambrose/Holding.
    Those amatuer guys were not used to 90+mph honing in on their heads 3 balls out of six. On the other hand, there wouldn't be much point playing a spinner against those pre-modern guys, unless we played on uncovered wickets. Ones who were used to playing the likes of Grimmett, OReiley, etc. on uncovered wickets would annihilate the likes of Warne/Murali on covered/rolled wickets, no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    Disagree. Except for Bradman, everyone would either be dead or in the hospital thanks to Marshall and Ambrose/Holding.
    Those amatuer guys were not used to 90+mph honing in on their heads 3 balls out of six. On the other hand, there wouldn't be much point playing a spinner against those pre-modern guys, unless we played on uncovered wickets. Ones who were used to playing the likes of Grimmett, OReiley, etc. on uncovered wickets would annihilate the likes of Warne/Murali on covered/rolled wickets, no problems.
    Important toss to win then….

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    PS: I gotto say that the purpose of picking an alltime XI is self-defeating for the sport. Whats the point of creating an XI that would bore people by winning 8 outta 10 matches ? Do we really go to watch Australia of the 90s versus Zimbabwe with a sense of excitement or a sense of resignation ?

    Its much more productive, IMO, to pick two teams that would be the best for a given era, producing titanic contest that could go either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Important toss to win then….
    Yep.

    Ironically, both sides ( old amatuers vs the modern side) should turn the conventional 'win toss, bat' on its head. They should both bowl first:
    modern ones, because they would kill the oldies first up, then rack up an insane amount of runs against their slow bowlers, then finish off half the oldie team (the ones that are not in hospital from 1st innings barrage from marshall/holding/lillee etc).

    Oldies should do the same, because they get the distinct advantage batting on 4th/5th day wickets- the modern wicket deteriorates far less, so their 'zero risk, bash only the pies' leads them to either steadily chase down the target or shut shop for a draw. While bowling first up gives them the maximal effect of using the juciest time on the seaming wicket, restricting the modern greats to a managable score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muloghonto View Post
    Disagree. Except for Bradman, everyone would either be dead or in the hospital thanks to Marshall and Ambrose/Holding. .
    my suspicion is that Bradman would struggle against Marshall and co. just as much of the next guy. The strategy he used during the Bodyline series would be highly susceptible to Marshall's yorker or Sir Ambi's slower ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Second Spitter View Post
    my suspicion is that Bradman would struggle against Marshall and co. just as much of the next guy. The strategy he used during the Bodyline series would be highly susceptible to Marshall's yorker or Sir Ambi's slower ball.
    Probably, but he probably won't flat out die like Hobbs or Sutcliffe would, who were used to opening against spinners and military medium pacers. Hammond faced real pace,but those that are pitched fast & full or short of good length, with the occasional 'warning' bouncers. Not the headhunting barrage that Marshall could conjure at will.



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