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    Quote Originally Posted by ankitj View Post
    What is the best team you can make within the constraints of the recent cricket budget draft. Here are the rules:


    Ignore the flexibility clause. So you have to manage in the original budget limits.
    Heh, nice idea.

    My standard non-Bradman ATW XI looks like this:

    Code:
    			Tests	Runs	Wickets
    
    WG Grace		22	1098	9
    Jack Hobbs		61	5410	1
    George Headley		22	2190	0
    Sachin Tendulkar	200	15921	46
    Wally Hammond		85	7249	83
    Garry Sobers		93	8032	235
    Adam Gilchrist		96	5570	
    Imran Khan		88	3807	362
    Richard Hadlee		86	3124	431
    Malcolm Marshall	81	1810	376
    Muttiah Muralitharan	133	1261	800
    
    
    TOTAL			967	55472	2343
    So yeah, well over. Biggest problems appear to be Tendulkar and Murali, so I'll start by replacing them with two of my great favourites; Nourse and O'Reilly.

    That leaves me with:

    Tests: 695
    Runs: 41660
    Wickets: 1641

    Which is still way over on everything. Hadlee soaks up more than he's worth; I'll replace him with the second best New Zealand opening bowler of all time, Jack Cowie, who costs me almost nothing.

    Tests: 618
    Runs: 38626
    Wickets: 1255

    Getting there, still way over though. I'd really like to keep Sobers, Gilchrist, Imran and Marshall if possible as they're somewhat irreplaceable by players who played a lot less which leaves Hammond next on the chopping block; Pollock an ideal replacement.

    Tests: 556
    Runs: 33633
    Wickets: 1176

    Closing in now. Replacing Sobers with Miller gets me really close; if I do that I get...

    Tests: 518
    Runs: 28559
    Wickets: 1111

    So 111 wickets and 18 Tests have to go. Looking at the bowling attack, gotta be Marshall I suppose. I'll bring in Barnes. This means I can replace with Jack Cowie with Charlie Turner who I do believe was the slightly better cricketer.

    Code:
    		Tests	Runs	Wickets
    
    WG Grace	22	1098	9
    Jack Hobbs	61	5410	1
    George Headley	22	2190	0
    Dudley Nourse	34	2960	0
    Graeme Pollock	23	2256	4
    Keith Miller	55	2958	170
    Adam Gilchrist	96	5570	0
    Imran Khan	88	3807	362
    Charlie Turner	17	323	101
    Sydney Barnes	27	242	189
    Bill O'Reilly	27	410	144
    			
    TOTAL		472	27224	980
    Ended up picking such an old timey side. How unlike me...
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    Good to see Charlie Turner getting a run.

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    Off hand I'd nominate Jack Cowie as the most underrated player in the history of the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohnoitsyou View Post
    No bradman

    Barnes in for lillee and keep miller for mine. Assuming that fits the budget
    Oh yeah, got overly fixated on the budget. Obviously the 'White Headley' needs to be replaced by the 'Black Bradman'. So I came up with the following team with Alan Davidson being the must have budget left-arm bowling allrounder;

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Barry Richards
    03. George Headley
    04. Graeme Pollock
    05. Frank Worrall
    06. Neil Harvey
    07. Les Ames
    08. Alan Davidson
    09. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Andy Roberts
    11. Bill O' Reilly

    Tests = 486
    Runs = 26814
    Wickets = 986

    Would have liked Lindwall or Garner but they pushed the total wickets over the limit - unless the specialist batsmen are just that, specialist batsmen with little ability with ball. So in order to include Worrall I went for Roberts instead. Snow was also another excellent choice at about the 200 wicket mark.

    Or Davidson - Lillee - Lindwall - O'Reilly would have done the trick.
    Last edited by watson; 15-02-2014 at 03:45 PM.
    Tendulkar - M.Waugh - Ponting - Richards - Dhoni - Bevan - Kapil Dev - Hadlee - Akram - Garner - Muralitharan


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    WG Grace
    Jack Hobbs
    George Headley
    Dudley Nourse
    Graeme Pollock
    Keith Miller
    Adam Gilchrist
    Imran Khan
    Charlie Turner
    Sydney Barnes
    Bill O'Reilly

    A quick offie, two quick leg-break bowlers, and two fast bowlers would have to be a rare kind of attack PEWS.

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    Favourite old(ish) timers XI. Would be entertaining if nothing else.

    01. Jack Hobbs
    02. Victor Trumper
    03. George Headley
    04. Stan McCabe
    05. Garry Sobers
    06. Frank Woolley
    07. Monty Noble
    08. Don Tallon
    09. Fred Trueman
    10. Wes Hall
    11. Sydney Barnes

    12th Colin Blythe
    Last edited by watson; 15-02-2014 at 05:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Off hand I'd nominate Jack Cowie as the most underrated player in the history of the game
    Yup. Clive Rice too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Off hand I'd nominate Jack Cowie as the most underrated player in the history of the game
    Yeah, he's right up there. It's why I chucked him in there so early; turns out I didn't quite need him in the end though.

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    - Hobbs
    - Hutton
    - Bradman
    - Tendulkar
    - V.Richards
    - Sobers
    - Gilchrist
    - MITCHELL JOHNSON
    - Marshall
    - Lillee
    - O'Reilly

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    Due to the sad lack of quality medium pacers in international cricket at the minute, and inspired by Harry Pearson's book, 'The Trundlers', I've put together an ATG XI made up entirely of bowlers who claimed regular wickets without applying significant pace nor spin;

    Trundlers XI
    01. Graham Gooch
    02. Eddie Barlow
    03. Ted Dexter
    04. Greg Chappell
    05. Walter Hammond
    06. Doug Walters
    07. Clyde Walcott+
    08. Monty Noble
    09. Maurice Tate
    10. Alec Bedser
    11. Fazal Mahmood
    Last edited by watson; 23-02-2014 at 01:59 AM.

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    A question:

    You're selecting a WK bat for a side of your choosing. Out of the two; Andy Flower or AB De Villiers?
    "If that Swann lad is the future of spin bowling in this country, then we're ****ed." - Nasser Hussain, 1997.

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    Probably not much between the two with respect to batting. So it comes down to wicket-keeping ability. I know that PEWS has criticised Flower's keeping ability, but how do we really know that De Villiers is that much better? He probably is, but I'm not sure how you would prove that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Due to the sad lack of quality medium pacers in international cricket at the minute, and inspired by Harry Pearson's book, 'The Trundlers', I've put together an ATG XI made up entirely of bowlers who claimed regular wickets without applying significant pace nor spin;

    Trundlers XI
    01. Graham Gooch
    02. Eddie Barlow
    03. Ted Dexter
    04. Greg Chappell
    05. Walter Hammond
    06. Doug Walters
    07. Clyde Walcott+
    08. Monty Noble
    09. Maurice Tate
    10. Alec Bedser
    11. Fazal Mahmood
    Vernon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Probably not much between the two with respect to batting. So it comes down to wicket-keeping ability. I know that PEWS has criticised Flower's keeping ability, but how do we really know that De Villiers is that much better? He probably is, but I'm not sure how you would prove that.
    For me, AB is clearly the better keeper. He has really improved since his return to the role.
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Due to the sad lack of quality medium pacers in international cricket at the minute, and inspired by Harry Pearson's book, 'The Trundlers', I've put together an ATG XI made up entirely of bowlers who claimed regular wickets without applying significant pace nor spin;

    Trundlers XI
    01. Graham Gooch
    02. Eddie Barlow
    03. Ted Dexter
    04. Greg Chappell
    05. Walter Hammond
    06. Doug Walters
    07. Clyde Walcott+
    08. Monty Noble
    09. Maurice Tate
    10. Alec Bedser
    11. Fazal Mahmood
    Think Hammond was pretty quick when he wanted to be, probably Worrell who wasn't particularly quick of spun the ball that much.



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