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    I can only make a team from those I have seen...(from early 90's)

    Saeed Anwar
    Mathew Hayden
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Brian Lara
    Steve Waugh
    Adam Gilchrist
    Shane Warne
    Dale Steyn/ Muthaiah Muralidharan (depending on the surface)
    Curtley Ambrose
    Glenn Mcgrath

    Extras: Ricky Ponting, Jack Kallis, Wasim Akram

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    Quote Originally Posted by sumantra View Post
    I can only make a team from those I have seen...(from early 90's)

    Saeed Anwar
    Matthew Hayden
    Rahul Dravid
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Brian Lara
    Steve Waugh
    Adam Gilchrist
    Shane Warne
    Dale Steyn/ Muttiah Muralitharan (depending on the surface)
    Curtly Ambrose
    Glenn McGrath

    Extras: Ricky Ponting, Jacques Kallis, Wasim Akram
    I think it is just wrong to rate Dravid ahead of Ponting, but to each his own.
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    and for the ODI's

    Sachin Tendulkar
    Adam Gilchrist
    Dean Jones
    Ricky Ponting
    Brian Lara
    Micheal Bevan
    Abdul Razzak
    Shane Warne
    Wasim Akram
    Curtley Ambrose
    Glenn Mcgrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    I think it is just wrong to rate Dravid ahead of Ponting, but to each his own.
    In my team, I would want Rahul Dravid to come out at no. 3, there is nothing more to it...


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    Quote Originally Posted by sumantra View Post
    In my team, I would want Rahul Dravid to come out at no. 3, there is nothing more to it...
    Fair enough, your team, I personally think the Wall would do just as good a job at 5-6, personally think Lara and Ponting are better 3's than he was. It's a close call though, so the fact you've put him ahead is as you say a personal choice. But I wouldn't make that call
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    I think it is just wrong to rate Dravid ahead of Ponting, but to each his own.
    While I rate Ponting higher, this is a bit harsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    While I rate Ponting higher, this is a bit harsh
    Hmm...... Probably true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    While I rate Ponting higher, this is a bit harsh
    Yes, I agree with this, because there is no daylight between the two, the thing is much closer than what it has sometimes been made out to...for me, it's a very very difficult thing to choose, and while making the team, this was, for me, the toughest choice. Now that they have both finished their careers, there is even a magical similarity in their career stats as well, there is nothing to choose from there as well, no striking difference. Dravid has a better away record, and slightly better overall average while Ponting has few more centuries, and (this is important) a better strike rate. I can not deny that sometimes I would be tempted to put Ponting at 3 (mostly because he was more aggressive and you may say decisive), having said that Dravid would come more handy in certain match situations. Generally I would love to have Dravid because of the stability and reliability he provides...may be all this boils down to where you are playing, and selecting Dravid or Ponting based on that might just be the best thing to do...

    India - Rahul Dravid (clearly)
    England - Rahul Dravid (clearly)
    Australia - Ricky Ponting (clearly)
    South Africa - Ricky Ponting (clearly)
    Sri Lanka - Ricky Ponting (clearly)
    New Zealand - Rahul Dravid (narrowly)
    West Indies - Nothing to Choose (can be any)

    Rahul Dravid did pretty well in Zimbabwe and Pakistan, but Ponting hardly ever played in these 2 countries, only 1 test for him, so it's not possible to choose because of inadequacy...

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    Batting at 3
    Dravid 219 Inn 52.88
    Ponting 196 Inn 56.27

    Again not a big difference, just adding to your notes.

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    An international ATG side

    1.Jack Hobbs Eng
    2.Sunil Gavaskar Ind
    3.Kumar Sangakarra SL
    4.Graeme Pollock RSA
    5. Garry Sobers WI
    6. Andy Flower+ Zim
    7.Imran Khan Pak
    8. Shakib Al Hasan Ban
    9. Richard Hadlee Nz
    10. Shane Warne Aus
    11. Alex Cusack Ire

    Just filling in time, thought I'd make a player from everywhere side, plus one Affiliate Nation

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    Swap Sangakkara for Bradman and Warne for Murali and it's be perfect

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    Alex Cusack is nowhere near the best cricketer from Ireland.

    In fact he may well be the worst cricketer in the side right now, depending on whether Andrew White is playing.

    Also he's a batsman who can bowl, not a #11.
    Last edited by Howe_zat; 20-10-2013 at 10:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Alex Cusack is nowhere near the best cricketer from Ireland.

    In fact he may well be the worst cricketer in the side right now, depending on whether Andrew White is playing.

    Also he's a batsman who can bowl, not a #11.
    Well I rushed through the Associate player pretty quick, as I was just filling in time. And also, as Bradman isn't in for Australia it's clearly not best player from each side, just making a side with players from each country, not best players. Also, Sachin not in for India, and a few other spots.

    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    Swap Sangakkara for Bradman and Warne for Murali and it's be perfect
    Fair enough, I figured someone would say that, but I don't consider Murali as good as Warne. Many other ways to make the side, but I prefer this line up for now.

    1.Will Porterfield Ire
    2.Herb Sutcliffe Eng
    3.Don Bradman Aus*
    4.Jacques Kallis RSA
    5. Sachin Tendulker Ind
    6. Brendon McCullum NZ+
    7.Malcolm Marshall WI
    8. Wasim Akram Pak
    9. Mohammad Rafique Ban
    10. Heath Streak Zim
    11. Chucka Murali SL

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    I'd go

    Jack Hobbs
    Ed Joyce
    Don Bradman
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Jacques Kallis
    Andy Flower+
    Shakib Al Hasan
    Richard Hadlee
    Wasim Akram
    Malcolm Marshall
    Muttiah Muralitharan
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    Played 100+ Tests

    Proven over a lot of games is the way to get in this side. As a crtain little man set about his career swansong and so many people saying how well he has done over so many matches over so many years. A few people like Clarke KP and Cook will join the 100+ soon, but for now they're out. I had a go at this side. A few people that for me I struggle to chose between for a few of the positions.

    Openers
    Hayden, Sehwag, Smith, Langer, Gavaskar - A tough choice, as arguments could be made for any number of them, and any number of combinations.
    First Drop.
    Sangakarra, Ponting, Richards, Dravid, Kallis, Lara - The hardest choice for me. This is simply a list of my favourite batsmen to watch, for different reasons of course but just awesome.
    Middle Guys
    Kallis, Tendulkar, Miandad, Lara, Inzamam, Chanderpaul, Border, Laxman, Gower, Ponting, Waugh, Lloyd on and on, - attack? defend? allrounder? so many choices

    This is just people I have on my short list, there are others. But the team I chose is
    1. Sehwag, Virender
    2.Gavaskar, Sunil M.
    3. Richards, Isaac V.A.
    4. Kallis, Jacques H.
    5. Tendulkar, Sachin R.
    6.Ponting, Ricky T.
    7.Healy, Ian A.
    8.Pollock, Shaun M.
    9.Wasim Akram
    10.Warne Shane K.
    11.McGrath Glenn D.



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