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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Agreed with Monk that Miller was a 50+ batsman - unfortunately he was also an ATG fast bowler which was bloody handy to the team
    Miller was not even a 40+ batsman. Check his stats
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Miller was not even a 40+ batsman. Check his stats
    If he hadn't had to bowl
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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Miller was not even a 40+ batsman. Check his stats
    No, the original point was that if he hadn't been a pace bowler and had been in the side as a batsman only, his average would have been much higher.

    Your friend Imran would be very similar I think.
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    If Miller had a good back and has a ruthless streak not dissimilar to Bradman's, he would have averaged 50 with the bat and 20 with the ball IMO. Freakishly talented guy.

    He's be a statistician's dream if he didn't switch off when the game was well in hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    If he hadn't had to bowl
    He'd be playing Shield Cricket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    He'd be playing Shield Cricket.
    Premier or grade probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rvd619323 View Post
    If Miller had a good back and has a ruthless streak not dissimilar to Bradman's, he would have averaged 50 with the bat and 20 with the ball IMO. Freakishly talented guy.

    He's be a statistician's dream if he didn't switch off when the game was well in hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    No, the original point was that if he hadn't been a pace bowler and had been in the side as a batsman only, his average would have been much higher.

    Your friend Imran would be very similar I think.
    Depends how you look at it. Imran only flowered as a batsman in his later years through a lot of hard work, and when his batting was flowering he was basically a specialist batsman anyway with a massively reduced workload bowling-wise, so I think his average is accurate.

    I would never classify them in the same bracket talent wise - Miller was very attacking playing all bowlers "just slightly below the ball's merits that it scratches the bowler's ego" whereas Imran was more defensive, more of a match-saver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Depends how you look at it. Imran only flowered as a batsman in his later years through a lot of hard work, and when his batting was flowering he was basically a specialist batsman anyway with a massively reduced workload bowling-wise, so I think his average is accurate.

    I would never classify them in the same bracket talent wise - Miller was very attacking playing all bowlers "just slightly below the ball's merits that it scratches the bowler's ego" whereas Imran was more defensive, more of a match-saver.
    No doubt, Miller was a better batsman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    No doubt, Miller was a better batsman.

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    indeed.

    But Imran definitely the better bowler

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    Just, definitely had tougher conditions in Pakistan to contend with... Imran and Miller

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    I don't think you could find many who would argue that Ponting/Border/Harvey is the second best batsman of all time. I like kyear's group, I think you could argue for any of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    I don't think you could find many who would argue that Ponting/Border/Harvey is the second best batsman of all time. I like kyear's group, I think you could argue for any of them.
    You're right about Harvey, but he's a personal favourite of mine.

    If Ponting had retired a few years ago, his legacy would have been much greater than it will be. There was a period in his career where he was unbelievable (from 1999-2006ish), and I believe he had the most successful and dominant run of 50 (?) tests as a batsman ever, apart from Bradman.

    Border played in a brutal era and averaged 50 +. If you compare what he averaged in the 1980s to what his team-mates averaged, you can easily mount a case for him to be included alongside players like Tendulkar imo...

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    Harvey and Compton are my two favourite batsmen for sure - both very similar in some ways, attacking geniuses who gradually declined after a sustained run of glory - but I'd probably put Compton a tiny fraction below kyear's list, with Harvey in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    You're right about Harvey, but he's a personal favourite of mine.

    If Ponting had retired a few years ago, his legacy would have been much greater than it will be. There was a period in his career where he was unbelievable (from 1999-2006ish), and I believe he had the most successful and dominant run of 50 (?) tests as a batsman ever, apart from Bradman.

    Border played in a brutal era and averaged 50 +. If you compare what he averaged in the 1980s to what his team-mates averaged, you can easily mount a case for him to be included alongside players like Tendulkar imo...

    Allan Border still the greatest Australian batsman | Article | The Punch
    Fully agree with Ponting, and as I stated is the closest to making the list and probably should. It's just the others definately should, if you understabd what I mean.
    My objection.to Border is not what he did, but how he did it. He wasn't a natural match winner and had to pare back too much of his game to be who be became. He often played the anchor role, as a sort of Chanderpaul, but againts better bowling. He is an ATG, and.was invaluable to his team, but he wasn't the best after Bradman.
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    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Fully agree with Ponting, and as I stated is the closest to making the list and probably should. It's just the others definately should, if you understabd what I mean.
    My objection.to Border is not what he did, but how he did it. He wasn't a natural match winner and had to pare back too much of his game to be who be became. He often played the anchor role, as a sort of Chanderpaul, but againts better bowling. He is an ATG, and.was invaluable to his team, but he wasn't the best after Bradman.
    yeah.....would probably bucket Border in the Miandad league



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