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    An off-the-top-of-my head 19th Century Australian XI

    Charles Bannerman
    Percy McDonnell
    Billy Murdoch
    Joe Darling
    Syd Gregory
    George Giffen
    Jack Blackham
    Charles Turner
    George Palmer
    Jack Ferris
    Fred Spofforth

    There are probably a couple of obvious names I’ve overlooked – the tail is longer than ideal, but I reckon that side would go ok.

    I was going to include Hugh Trumble as he played more than half his career Tests in the 1890s, but he was actually considerably more successful after the turn of the century. Harry Boyle, the Trotts and big George Bonnor also came into my considerations.
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    Not sure what Siddle's done that Lee didn't - the latter had a few very good years at the start and end of his career. And he'd always run in all day for you.
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    Just mucking around with some Australia XI's after looking at the Mike Hussey thread....


    1st XI

    - Trumper
    - Taylor
    - Bradman
    - G. Chappell
    - Miller
    - Harvey
    - Gilchrist
    - Warne
    - Lillee
    - O'Reilly
    - McGrath

    2nd XI

    - Morris
    - Lawry
    - Ponting
    - McCabe
    - S. Waugh
    - Border
    - Healy
    - Davison
    - Lindwall
    - McDermott
    - Grimmett

    3rd XI

    - Simpson
    - Slater
    - MacCartney
    - M. Waugh
    - Clarke
    - Walters
    - Marsh
    - Benaud
    - Gregory
    - Gillespie
    - Spofforth

    4th XI

    - Hayden
    - Langer
    - I. Chappell
    - Hassett
    - Ponsford
    - Hussey
    - Noble
    - Giffen
    - Tallon
    - McKenzie
    - Thomson


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    Both Hayden and Langer > Slater

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Both Hayden and Langer > Slater
    Rate them all similarly. Not a fan of Hayden at all. Big fan of Langer during his time as an opener.

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    First XI Second XI Third XI Fourth XI Fifth XI
    V Trumper A Morris M Hayden M Slater M Taylor *
    B Simpson A Jackson J Langer B Ponsford S Katich
    D Bradman * C Macartney C Hill I Chappell * D Boon
    G Chappell S McCabe N Harvey M Waugh N O'Neill
    K Miller A Border * M Clarke * D Martyn B Cowper
    R Ponting S Waugh M Hussey D Walters S Smith
    A Gilchrist + A Davidson M Noble W Armstrong I Healy +
    S Warne R Lindwall J Gregory B Oldfield+ R Harris
    D Lillee D Tallon + R Benaud H Trumble J Gillespie
    B O'Reilly C Grimmett J Blackham + CTB Turner G McKenzie
    G McGrath F Spofforth C McDermott B Johnston S MacGill

    Devastated I couldn't get Peter Siddle in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sean View Post
    An off-the-top-of-my head 19th Century Australian XI

    Charles Bannerman
    Percy McDonnell
    Billy Murdoch
    Joe Darling
    Syd Gregory
    George Giffen
    Jack Blackham
    Charles Turner
    George Palmer
    Jack Ferris
    Fred Spofforth

    There are probably a couple of obvious names I’ve overlooked – the tail is longer than ideal, but I reckon that side would go ok.

    I was going to include Hugh Trumble as he played more than half his career Tests in the 1890s, but he was actually considerably more successful after the turn of the century. Harry Boyle, the Trotts and big George Bonnor also came into my considerations.
    Interesting - I can only think of Frank Iredale amongst those who completed their careers in the 19th century who might be worth sticking in there - open it up to those who just started in Victorian times and you can add Vic Trumper, Clem Hill and Monty Noble

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Interesting - I can only think of Frank Iredale amongst those who completed their careers in the 19th century who might be worth sticking in there - open it up to those who just started in Victorian times and you can add Vic Trumper, Clem Hill and Monty Noble
    I'd forgotten Iredale. I didn't consider the other three as I was judging just on performances in the 19th Century rather than what they achieved later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    First XI Second XI Third XI Fourth XI Fifth XI
    V Trumper A Morris M Hayden M Slater M Taylor *
    B Simpson A Jackson J Langer B Ponsford S Katich
    D Bradman * C Macartney C Hill I Chappell * D Boon
    G Chappell S McCabe N Harvey M Waugh N O'Neill
    K Miller A Border * M Clarke * D Martyn B Cowper
    R Ponting S Waugh M Hussey D Walters S Smith
    A Gilchrist + A Davidson M Noble W Armstrong I Healy +
    S Warne R Lindwall J Gregory B Oldfield+ R Harris
    D Lillee D Tallon + R Benaud H Trumble J Gillespie
    B O'Reilly C Grimmett J Blackham + CTB Turner G McKenzie
    G McGrath F Spofforth C McDermott B Johnston S MacGill

    Devastated I couldn't get Peter Siddle in there.
    I bloody love that second XI.

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    Maybe the little dasher for the 19th century XI

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    Australia ATG XI
    Arthur Morris
    Robert Simpson(5)^
    Sir Donald Bradman*
    Greg Chappell^
    Ricky Ponting
    Allan Border
    Adam Gilchrist+
    Alan Davidson(3)
    Shane Warne(4)^
    Denis Lillee(1)
    Glenn McGrath(2)

    West Indies ATG XI
    Gordon Greenidge
    Sir Conrad Hunte
    George Headley*
    Sir I.V.A. Richards^
    Brian Lara^
    Sir Garfield Sobers(5)^
    Sir Clyde Walcott+
    Malcolm Marshall(1)
    Michael Holding(3)
    Curtly Ambrose(2)
    Joel Garner(4)

    South Africa ATG XI
    Barry Richards^
    Graeme Smith*^
    Hashim Amla
    Graeme Pollock
    Jacques Kallis(5)^
    Dudley Nourse
    Michael Procter(3)
    John Waite+
    Hugh Tayfield(4)
    Dale Steyn(2)
    Alan Donald (1)

    England ATG XI
    Sir Jack Hobbs
    Sir Leonard Hutton
    Walter Hammond^
    Denis Compton
    Ken Barrington
    Sir Ian Botham(5)^
    Allan Knott+
    Harold Larwood(2)
    Jim Laker(4)
    Fred Trueman(1)
    Sydney Barnes(3)

    Pakistan ATG XI
    Saeed Anwar
    Hanif Mohammad
    Younis Khan^
    Javed Miandad^
    Inzamam Ul-Haq^
    Mushtaq Mohammad(5)
    Imran Khan(2)*
    Rashid Latif+
    Wasim Akram(3)
    Saqlain Mushtaq(4)
    Waqar Youis(1)
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Australia
    B Simpson
    D Bradman
    R Ponting
    G Chappell
    A Border
    S Waugh
    A Gilchrist
    K Miller
    S Warne
    D Lillee
    G McGrath

    I can understand the inevitable criticism I'll get for opening with Bradman considering Australia's depth, but I wanted to fit all the hard ****s in the middle order. If the top four fail I'd want Border and Waugh at the crease every time. I picked Miller to bat eight because he was a world class bowler and his inclusion levels up the batting from unfair to old school nintendo.

    West Indies
    G Greenidge
    D Haynes
    G Headley
    V Richards
    B Lara
    G Sobers
    C Walcott
    M Marshall
    M Holding
    C Ambrose
    C Walsh

    I wanted to bring in two of the most famous combinations in test cricket for this team: Haynes/Greenidge and Ambrose/Walsh. I've had to revise my opinion of Headley a bit as well after DoG's exercise. I initially thought that even though he was superb and carried a dire batting unit for years, Chanderpaul had the sheer tests under his belt and would be perfect coming in lower down to complement Sobers or play a rescue innings if the mercurial nature of some members of the top order didn't end well.
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    Well yeah Tendy is probably better than Bradman, but Bradman was 70 years ago, if he grew up in the modern era he'd still easily be the best. Though he wasn't, can understand the argument for Tendy even though I don't agree.
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    I really do like both teams. The Aus side bats properly down to friggin number 8
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    South Africa since readmission

    G Smith
    G Kirsten
    H Amla
    J Kallis
    D Cullinan
    A de Villiers
    M Boucher
    S Pollock
    V Philander
    D Steyn
    A Donald

    Would compete respectably against ATG XIs from other nations.



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