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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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watson
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It's just that there are precious few South African batsman who have scored plenty of runs at 5 or 6. It seems to be an 'historical' weakness.
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
Certainly not. Whatever you think of Geoff Boycott missing for three tough years (which was coincidence and not due to any ill reasoned BS about him being afraid of the bowling) he was head and shoulders above the rest (metaphorically if not physically.)
watson
Banned
I plugged the following criteria into Statguru and got the following batsman;
'1970s'
Tests = 20 or greater
Average = 45 or greater
Javed Miandad
1976 - 1979
Tests = 25
HS = 206
Average = 64.34
Viv Richards
1974 - 1980
Tests = 30
HS = 291
Average = 58.21
Geoff Boycott
1970 - 1979
Tests = 44
HS = 191
Average = 55.97
Sunil Gavaskar
1971 - 1979
Tests = 60
HS = 221
Average = 55.91
Greg Chappell
1970 - 1980
Tests = 54
HS = 247*
Average = 52.98
Ian Redpath
1970 - 1976
Tests = 33
HS = 171
Average = 50.19
Alvin Kallicharan
1972 - 1980
Tests = 53
HS = 187
Average = 49.45
Glenn Turner
1971 - 1977
Tests = 30
HS = 259
Average = 49.37
Dennis Amiss
1971 - 1977
Tests = 45
HS = 262
Average = 49.11
Gordon Greenidge
1974 - 1980
Tests = 21
HS = 134
Average = 46.81
Gundappa Viswanath
1971 - 1979
Tests = 62
HS = 179
Average = 46.11
Roy Fredericks
1971 - 1977
Tests = 49
HS = 169
Average = 45.89
Lawrence Rowe
1972 - 1980
Tests = 26
HS = 302
Average = 45.76
Clive Lloyd
1971 - 1980
Tests = 48
HS = 242*
Average = 45.72
So Geoff Boycott is the obvious choice as the best English batsman of the 1970s. He may even be THE batsman of the 1970s because he batted at both the beginning and end of the decade, and Miandad and Richards didn't.
However, Boycott did miss a couple of key years due to his self imposed exile. So I think that the true best batsman of the decade should go to either Gavaskar or Chappell, although WSC does confuse things somewhat.
I was surprised that Miandad was the only Pakistan batsman to make the cut-off, and pleasantly surprised that both Redpath and Viswanath have averages higher than Lloyd. If anyone wants to add Vishy to their ATG Indian team then I won't complain. After all, he did have style.
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watson
Banned
Yep, I get the same team.
Which just goes to show - you can't build an ATG XI on Statsguru and averages alone.
There needs to be other criteria like;
Context: Who they played, where they played, and when they played.
Peer Review: How do other contemporary professional cricketers rate them?
Expert Review: How do journalists and historians rate them?
Legacy: What sort of legacy do they leave behind?
Etc
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marc71178
Eyes not spreadsheets
I don't forget how good a player was but that's more due to having watched him, not having looked at a list of averages.
AldoRaine18
State Vice-Captain
Gavaskar has been doing commentary for a long time now. Wasim and Warne as well.
AldoRaine18
State Vice-Captain
Dream Debut XI
Batsmen who scored a century on debut and bowlers who took 5 wickets in an innings.
WG Grace
Gordon Greenidge
George Headley
Greg Chappell
Javed Miandad
Ian Botham
Matt Prior
Clarrie Grimmett
Alec Bedser
Dennis Lillee
SF Barnes
Batsmen who scored a century on debut and bowlers who took 5 wickets in an innings.
WG Grace
Gordon Greenidge
George Headley
Greg Chappell
Javed Miandad
Ian Botham
Matt Prior
Clarrie Grimmett
Alec Bedser
Dennis Lillee
SF Barnes
kyear2
Cricketer Of The Year
Nice
ankitj
Hall of Fame Member
Excellent Exit XI
Batsmen who scored a century in last match and bowlers who took 5 wickets in an innings.
Barry Richards
Saeed Anwar
Jacques Kallis
Greg Chappell
Arvinda de Silva
Mike Procter
Henry Wood +
Richard Hadlee
Shane Bond
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes
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Lillian Thomson
Hall of Fame Member
I don't want any gardening gloves XI
Hutton
Gavaskar
Richards
Tendulkar
Compton
Botham
Gilchrist
Imran
Hadlee
Salisbury
Walsh
Hutton
Gavaskar
Richards
Tendulkar
Compton
Botham
Gilchrist
Imran
Hadlee
Salisbury
Walsh
