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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

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Long term success as a captain XI

Setting the standard of minimum 25 tests as captain and winning more than 40% of games captained….

Mark Taylor
Graeme Smith
Don Bradman
Viv Richards
Steve Waugh
Ricky Ponting
Greg Chappell
MS Dhoni
Richie Benaud
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram


Chappell and Waugh gonna have to play as ARs.
 
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Who do people think are the greatest captains in the history of the game, tactically and in terms of leadership?

From an Australian perspective…

Bradman, Taylor, Benaud, Ian Chappell, Armstrong.

Reckon Clarke is a great captain tactically but not sure if he's a particularly good leader, although the team seems settled lately.
 
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Monk said:
Reckon Clarke is a great captain tactically but not sure if he's a particularly good leader, although the team seems settled lately.
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Why not? He's led from the front and lifted a mediocre team pretty much on his own from 2011-2013 and now with MJ being god and lots of fast bowlers coming through, he's leading one of the best teams in the world. Much like Border did, really.
 
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OverratedSanity said:
Why not? He's led from the front and lifted a mediocre team pretty much on his own from 2011-2013 and now with MJ being god and lots of fast bowlers coming through, he's leading one of the best teams in the world. Much like Border did, really.
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Agree.
 
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I understand what you mean based on some of the incidents that have happened, like the whole homework debacle, but everyone you talk to seems to ****ing adore playing for him, and their games seem to lift, which is pretty massive. Also who gives a **** what happens in India?
 
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Riggins said:
I understand what you mean based on some of the incidents that have happened, like the whole homework debacle, but everyone you talk to seems to ****ing adore playing for him, and their games seem to lift, which is pretty massive. Also who gives a **** what happens in India?
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There was some weird **** early, with Symonds, Katich and maybe Hussey. Some of that was probably before he was captain, and he wasn't at fault really. It's hard to captain guys older/more experienced than you.

I'm a big fan of his captaincy. Reckon he settled what was a pretty volatile environment for a while.
 
harsh.ag

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Which of the following 2 sides would you pick?

Barry
Viv
Don
Lara
Sobers (c)
Miller
Knott (w)
Marshall
Wasim
Warne
Murali
Hobbs
Headley
Ponting
Sachin
Pollock
Kallis
Gilly (w)
Imran (c)
Hadlee
Lillee
O’Reilly

I have chosen the first side's bowling to be the most versatile (in terms of variation). While the second side is batting heavy with all classical bowlers :)

EDIT: Slight change in wicket-keepers.
 
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andmark

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harsh.ag said:
Which of the following 2 sides would you pick?


Barry
Viv
Don
Lara
Sobers (c)
Miller
Gilly (w)
Marshall
Wasim
Warne
Murali

Hobbs
Headley
Ponting
Sachin
Pollock
Kallis
Ames (w)
Imran (c)
Hadlee
Lillee
O’Reilly

I have chosen the first side's bowling to be the most versatile (in terms of variation). While the second side is batting heavy with all classical bowlers :)
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Has to be the first side. Having a batting attack which includes The Don, Lara, Gilchrist and both Richards. Then the bowling attack is enough to make a batsman vomit having arguably the two best pace bowlers ever along with Sobers and definitely the two best spinners. The other side just doesn't cut the mustard like the first.
 
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andmark said:
Has to be the first side. Having a batting attack which includes The Don, Lara, Gilchrist and both Richards. Then the bowling attack is enough to make a batsman vomit having arguably the two best pace bowlers ever along with Sobers and definitely the two best spinners. The other side just doesn't cut the mustard like the first.
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Sorry, just changed the keepers. Would you still pick the first side?
 
smash84

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OverratedSanity said:
Was Imran really that great as a captain? I mean, he was good at getting tough personalities to work together but that was about it. Even if he is made captain, I'd want Taylor running the show on the field.
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Not only did he get tough personalities to work well he lifted his game to another level when he was captain.
 
smash84

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andmark said:
Has to be the first side. Having a batting attack which includes The Don, Lara, Gilchrist and both Richards. Then the bowling attack is enough to make a batsman vomit having arguably the two best pace bowlers ever along with Sobers and definitely the two best spinners. The other side just doesn't cut the mustard like the first.
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Give Kallis to Team 1 and Bradman to team 2 and I will take team B.
 
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