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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Here's my point. I'm going to pick Miller, Sobers and Gilchrist in my ATG team. Here is how I'm going to bat them...

    5. Miller
    6. Sobers
    7. Gilchrist

    Because, for the majority of their test careers, these are the positions they batted in.

    If I bat them like this...

    5. Sobers
    6. Gilchrist
    7. Miller

    they all bat out of the position they batted most in during their test careers.

    I'm aware all of this doesn't matter a pinch of **** either way, but i'm batting them the way I see fit!
    Personally think somebody like Miller would be an excellent influence on the team by bringing harmony, humor and lowering the ego of the dressing room. But, don't think he and Don should be in the same team. Warne and Sobers are already there to chill things. Don certainly shouldn't be captain. Either Warne or Imran (if he is there).

    Also, it wouldn't be the worst idea to have Sir Jadeja as 12th man. Would sit well with the other knights.
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    XI Who Didn't Get The Chance To Expose Their Full Talents at Test Level

    1. Barry Richards
    2. Sid Barnes
    3. Stewart Dempster
    4. WG Grace
    5. Archie Jackson
    6. Lee Irvine
    7. Mike Proctor
    8. Garth Le Roux
    9. Vincent van der Bijl
    10. Rajinder Gael (sp?)
    11. Shane Bond

    Anyone I missed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    XI Who Didn't Get The Chance To Expose Their Full Talents at Test Level

    1. Barry Richards
    2. Sid Barnes
    3. Stewart Dempster
    4. WG Grace
    5. Archie Jackson
    6. Lee Irvine
    7. Mike Proctor
    8. Garth Le Roux
    9. Vincent van der Bijl
    10. Rajinder Gael (sp?)
    11. Shane Bond

    Anyone I missed?
    Clive Rice, Duleep.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. A.C Gilchrist 7. Imran Khan 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Personally think somebody like Miller would be an excellent influence on the team by bringing harmony, humor and lowering the ego of the dressing room. But, don't think he and Don should be in the same team. Warne and Sobers are already there to chill things. Don certainly shouldn't be captain. Either Warne or Imran (if he is there).

    Also, it wouldn't be the worst idea to have Sir Jadeja as 12th man. Would sit well with the other knights.
    Well, I guess if the Don and Miller can't be in the same team, someone has to make way.


    - Barry Richards
    - Len Hutton
    - Viv Richards
    - Greg Chappell
    - Keith Miller (captain)
    - Garry Sobers
    - Adam Gilchrist
    - Wasim Akram
    - Shane Warne
    - Curtly Ambrose
    - Muttiah Muralitharan

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    Unfair to include Shane Bond in that list.......
    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Well, I guess if the Don and Miller can't be in the same team, someone has to make way.


    - Barry Richards
    - Len Hutton
    - Viv Richards
    - Greg Chappell
    - Keith Miller (captain)
    - Garry Sobers
    - Adam Gilchrist
    - Wasim Akram
    - Shane Warne
    - Curtly Ambrose
    - Muttiah Muralitharan


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    Quote Originally Posted by morgieb View Post
    XI Who Didn't Get The Chance To Expose Their Full Talents at Test Level

    1. Barry Richards
    2. Sid Barnes
    3. Stewart Dempster
    4. WG Grace
    5. Archie Jackson
    6. Lee Irvine
    7. Mike Proctor
    8. Garth Le Roux
    9. Vincent van der Bijl
    10. Rajinder Gael (sp?)
    11. Shane Bond

    Anyone I missed?
    2 more to consider:

    • Colin McCool, missed most of
      hist potential career due to the second world war. Before the war he was young and competing with O'Rielly / Grimmet etc. After the war he was competing with Miller for the all rounder spot. Bowling Average=26 is not bad for a Leg Spiner and batting Average=35 is Ok for an alrounder.
    • Laurie Nash is another worth reading about.
      I suspect bodyline may have played a part with his career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.skm View Post
    Personally think somebody like Miller would be an excellent influence on the team by bringing harmony, humor and lowering the ego of the dressing room. But, don't think he and Don should be in the same team. Warne and Sobers are already there to chill things. Don certainly shouldn't be captain. Either Warne or Imran (if he is there).
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    Why should the Don not be captain. I'm wondering if there is any particular reason for him not to be, he had a great mind for his game and over time developed a great overall cricket brain. Anyway, any reasons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by schearzie View Post
    Why should the Don not be captain. I'm wondering if there is any particular reason for him not to be, he had a great mind for his game and over time developed a great overall cricket brain. Anyway, any reasons?
    If the team has a majority of average players, and players who need to be pressed a bit to go for victory, then he would be a valuable captain. But in an all time team, I think his attitude would be over kill and perhaps, if not counter productive, of low value. And less fun (which is always a factor)

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    That actually brings up an interesting discussion - in a thread where we've selected guys based on batting position, slip fielding or longevity alone as tiebreakers, why haven't we equally emphasised good captaincy?

    I'd like to see Frank Worrell in the discussion - ATG batsman averaging a shade under 50, arguably the greatest leader of men of all time, and a great tactical captain as well. Should that captaincy not count for something in this discussion - particularly if it is a 'XI to play the Martians' style scenario?

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    Pick your best XI then your captain...

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    Pick your best captain and then pick your best XI....

    Imran comes as first pick now

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Pick your best captain and then pick your best XI....

    Imran comes as first pick now
    NO. And Imran is not the best captain.

    Pick your team then the best captain from among them.
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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    Pick your best captain and then pick your best XI....

    Imran comes as first pick now

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    NO. And Imran is not the best captain.

    Pick your team then the best captain from among them.
    Of course he is the best captain. Denied a series win in the caribbean in the 1980s due to cheating umpires and the only one to probably take the WI to sword at their home in the 1980s. Series wins in England, India, and SL. Great eye for picking talent and excellent man manager. And not being stupid enough to declare and lose the match (like Garry Sobers ).



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