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    I don't care what anyone says. Miller is the man. And he'll bat at 5 in any of my fantasy teams I select him for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    He batted at 6 after he started to take on a greater bowling burden, In an ATG XI I can't see why I would bat Miller in the top 6 far less over Sir Garry. Additionally if my memory serves me correct he Sobers was more succesful at 3 and 4.
    So in the XI you have in your sig, why don't you have Sobers batting at 4?

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    Because Richards and Tendulkar are far superior batsmen to Keith Miller and in that lineup, Sobers fits in best at no. 6.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


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    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

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    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    incidentally, I noticed in your first XI that Sobers is the 5th bowler. Why not Tendulkar? They have pretty much the same bowling strike rate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Because Richards and Tendulkar are far superior batsmen to Keith Miller and in that lineup, Sobers fits in best at no. 6.
    Yeah exactly. Richards and Tendulkar are very comparable in batting class to Sobers even if you're of the opinion that Sobers is better; there's nothing in it. Miller, at the theoretical level of cricket we're talking about, would not be anywhere close to the side as a specialist batsman. Throw in the fact that he'd have a bigger bowling workload and it makes all the sense in the world to stick him at six if not seven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Miller, at the theoretical level of cricket we're talking about, would not be anywhere close to the side as a specialist batsman.
    This is probably the point we won't agree on. I think Miller is basically as good a batsman as the others in that middle order.

    I view Miller's average in much the same way as I view Mark Waugh's average- unrepresentative of their actual ability.

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    Miller would probably pilot space shuttles in the second Earth-Martian war, and would consequently view any Earth-Mars Test cricket as a step down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G.I.Joe View Post
    Miller would probably pilot space shuttles in the second Earth-Martian war, and would consequently view any Earth-Mars Test cricket as a step down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    This is probably the point we won't agree on. I think Miller is basically as good a batsman as the others in that middle order.

    I view Miller's average in much the same way as I view Mark Waugh's average- unrepresentative of their actual ability.
    Can't agree with anything in that statement and to say that Miller was as good a batsman as Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers is a bit mindblowing.

    Basicall Miller isn't good enough to be a top order stand alone batsman in an ATG XI and when you look at his wpm he isn't good and durable enough to be one of the top four strike bowlers either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Can't agree with anything in that statement and to say that Miller was as good a batsman as Richards, Tendulkar and Sobers is a bit mindblowing.

    Basicall Miller isn't good enough to be a top order stand alone batsman in an ATG XI and when you look at his wpm he isn't good and durable enough to be one of the top four strike bowlers either.
    Miller was an exceptional batsmen. Don't be misled by his average. He was also an exceptional bowler. He was the greatest pure all rounder ever. No doubt.

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    Exceptional batsmen don't average under 37 and great front line bolwers don't average 3 wickets per match with a s/r of 61. Unlike Garry who could make an AT XI as a batsman alone or Imran as a bowler alone, Miller can't make it based on any one of his skills alone.
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    I think Miller isn't as good as Mock thinks and not as bad as kyear2 is making out.

    If you are going to play GIlchrist as your keeper and go in with 2 spinners, Miller at 7 is an excellent choice.

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    Not at all concerned by Miller's SR and I think that stat is misleading (his ave is still superb) and probably reflects a different attitude across eras as to how batsmen played bowling. My impression is that run rates are faster now and with it risk taking which impact SRs downward.

    Perhaps in Miller's day bats were more cautious (stories of deathly dull batting are told of that period) so they took fewer risks in an effort to see him off. Miller's ave tends to suggest it was a good tactic and in the end the proper measure of his bowling ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Exceptional batsmen don't average under 37 and great front line bolwers don't average 3 wickets per match with a s/r of 61. Unlike Garry who could make an AT XI as a batsman alone or Imran as a bowler alone, Miller can't make it based on any one of his skills alone.
    Exceptional batsmen can adapt to conditions, threaten the opposition with their ability, play all the shots necessary etc etc. Miller had all that.

    Miller is unique. He makes a team as a pure all rounder. Him and Botham are the two most "pure" all rounders of all time I think.

    That said, Miller would have EASILY made the XI he actually played in as a batsman OR a bowler. Easily. Same as Botham...

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    Shakib makes the XI he actually plays in as a batsman or bowler too EASILY. He would actually make the Bangladesh all time team EASILY as just a batsman or just a bowler.
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