The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[kyear2]

I think for sure England is 4th and S.A is 3rd with the top two very close. The winner for mine will be who wins the contests of Marshall and co vs Bradman and Warne vs Sobers and Lara and Co.

Marshall vs Bradman and Warne vs Sobers. Can there be better match ups?

 

[watson]

A nice video of Gavaskar remembering his 121 off only 128 balls against the West Indies in 1983.

After watching him bat again, I must say that his square-drive while down on bended knee remains one of cricket's best iconic shots.

What was also interesting in the video was that he rated his century at Old Trafford in 1974 his best innings. This is because he considered Willis, Old, and Hendrick an extremely difficult combination on a green-top in cold conditions.

 

[ankitj]

Have we tried northern and southern hemisphere XIs yet? Taking out Bradman, let's see how they stack up:

Northern XI
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Rahul Dravid
Sachin Tendulkar
Wally Hammond
Kumar Sangakkara +
Ian Botham
Imran Khan *
Fred Trueman
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes

12th: Wasim Akram

I could have picked Compton and Ames at 6 and 7, but lack of a batting all rounder option means I have to pick Botham as 5th bowler and then to boost the batting, Sangakkara as the wicket keeper.

Southern XI
Barry Richards
Gordon Greenidge
Brian Lara
Jacques Kallis
Viv Richards *
Garry Sobers
Adam Gilchrist +
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne
Malcolm Marshall
Curtly Ambrose

12th: Keith Miller

Pollock, Headley, Ponting etc were some good options in place of Kallis, but at the end as a 5th bowler, can't find anyone better (Sobers will be used as only 6th bowler if it becomes necessary). Kicking myself for omitting McGrath but the 3 of only 4 pacers that I rate above him are all in southern hemisphere (Barnes is the fourth).

Who will win a contest between them? An imaginary match report or a simulation will be so awesome

 

[ankitj]

Most people here will pay to watch Southern XI and justifiably so. Who can resist the 3 West Indian batsmen in the middle order and that pace attack along with the leg spin wizard! Presence of 3 Asian giants and two great English openers in Northern XI make it somewhat even for me. But still Southern XI is irresistible at the end.

 

[watson]

The West Indies are not far from the Tropic of Cancer which is north of the equator. So;

North
England
India
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
West Indies

South
Australia
New Zealand
South Africa
Zimbabwe

 

[ankitj]

oops. You are right

 

[G.I.Joe]

How about a Captains XI vs Non-captains XI?

 

[G.I.Joe]

Captains XI	Non-captains XI
Gavaskar * Hutton * Bradman * Tendulkar * Lara * Sobers * Gilchrist +* Imran * Pollock * Wasim * Bedi * ............................ Waqar * Richards *	Hobbs (wasn't officially captain, IIRC) Sutcliffe Barrington Kohli * Weekes Miller Knott + Hadlee Marshall Warne Muralitharan ............................ McGrath Lillee

Non-captains XI batting will be in great strife when Kohli eventually graduates to the Captains XI.

 

[ankitj]

Revised:

Northern XI
Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Brian Lara
Sachin Tendulkar
Viv Richards
Garry Sobers
Les Ames +
Imran Khan *
Malcolm Marshall
Muttiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes

12th: Ian Botham

Southern XI
Barry Richards
Greame Smith
Don Bradman *
Greame Pollock
Jacques Kallis
Greg Chappell
Adam Gilchrist +
Richard Hadlee
Shane Warne
Dale Steyn
Glenn McGrath

12th: Keith Miller

Northern team looks much stronger now. Should bring Bradman back I guess.

 

[watson]

The North XI
01. Len Hutton
02. Sunil Gavaskar
03. Viv Richards
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Brian Lara
06. Garry Sobers
07. Alan Knott
08. Imran Khan
09. Wasim Akram
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Muttiah Muralitharan
12th. Sydney Barnes

The South XI
01. Barry Richards
02. Bob Simpson
03. Don Bradman
04. Graeme Pollock
05. Greg Chappell
06. Jacques Kallis
07. Adam Gilchrist
08. Mike Procter
09. Richard Hadlee
10. Shane Warne
11. Dennis Lillee
12th. Bill O'Reilly

 

[kyear2]

The North XI
01. Len Hutton
02. Sunil Gavaskar
03. Viv Richards
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Brian Lara
06. Garry Sobers
07. Alan Knott
08. Imran Khan
09. Wasim Akram
10. Malcolm Marshall
11. Muttiah Muralitharan
12th. Sydney Barnes

The South XI
01. Barry Richards
02. Bob Simpson
03. Don Bradman
04. Graeme Pollock
05. Greg Chappell
06. Jacques Kallis
07. Adam Gilchrist
08. Mike Procter
09. Richard Hadlee
10. Shane Warne
11. Dennis Lillee
12th. Bill O'Reilly

Teams just about equal. Would be a brilliant contest.

 

[Red]

Notable captains (30 tests or more)

- Graeme Smith
- Sunny Gavaskar
- Ricky Ponting
- Peter May/Greg Chappell
- Viv Richards
- Allan Border
- Garry Sobers
- MS Dhoni
- Imran Khan
- Kapil Dev
- Dan Vettori


Strong batting but a lack of bowling options among guys who have done a large amount of captaincy.

 

[Coronis]

North
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Headley
Lara
Hammond
Sobers
Knott+
Imran*
Marshall
Muralitharan
Barnes

South
Richards
Smith
Bradman*
Pollock
Chappell
Kallis
Gilchrist+
Procter
Hadlee
Warne
McGrath

 

[Red]

On a tangent, time for an allrounder XI- guys who would probably be selected for their nation on one discipline (batting or bowling) only.


Sanath Jayasuriya
Monty Noble
Jaques Kallis
Garry Sobers
Keith Miller
Adam Gilchrist
Ian Botham
Kapil Dev
Imran Khan
Richie Benaud
Richard Hadlee

 

[G.I.Joe]

Someone do a hairy vs baldies

 

[G.I.Joe]

Baldies get Bradman, IMO.

 

[kyear2]

Some insightful articles. Don't necessarily agree with some of them, but good all the same.

For the Love of Legends: Cricket Lists

 

[Coronis]

Rhodes
Armstrong
Kallis
Sobers
Faulkner
Miller
Gilchrist+
Procter
Imran
Benaud*
Hadlee

An attempt at a balanced allrounders XI. McCartney could come in at 3, but probably at the expense of Miller, and everyone (including me) would hate that.

 

[Prince EWS]

Faulkner should bat 3 in that side for mine. He never really had a consistent batting position, but he averaged 69 at number 3, hit two of his four Test hundreds there including a career best 204 in Australia and scored 50 or more in six of his nine innings in the position. Fair to say he probably enjoyed it, unlike Kallis who was always reluctant to bat there.

 

[Coronis]

Faulkner should bat 3 in that side for mine. He never really had a consistent batting position, but he averaged 69 at number 3, hit two of his four Test hundreds there including a career best 204 in Australia and scored 50 or more in six of his nine innings in the position. Fair to say he probably enjoyed it, unlike Kallis who was always reluctant to bat there.

Well, when you put it like that...

Rhodes
Armstrong
Faulkner
Kallis
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist+
Procter
Imran
Benaud*
Hadlee