the rating for Viv who played 74-91 above the like of Sunil or Border for the same times and similar averages, when Sunil and Border made runs when their teams needed them. Ugly runs but full of heart.
So Imran it is, because as Smali says, if you have a bowler as good as Lillee, but can bat a bit, then no reason not to select him, though Ambrose and Trueman are for me superior bolwers.
Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2
Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4
Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2
Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3
Have heard much on the fielding of Hobbs/Bradman/Hammond/Sobers/Procter, and seen a lot of Gilchrist/Warne/McGrath. Was curious, does anybody know anything about Sutcliffe, Pollock and Marshall's fielding?
ATG World XI
1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath
Know Marshall was very good in the outfield and in the circle, know nothing of Pollock or Sutcliffe.
Last edited by Monk; 30-06-2013 at 05:03 PM.
Imran scored his first Test century against the West Indies in 1980 (The bowlers were Clarke, Croft, Marshall, and Garner). And he scored his last Test Century against Australia in 1990 (The bowlers were Hughes, Rackeman, Campbell, and Taylor).
The point being that for a full decade Imran was a competent batsman and excellent No.7 or No.8. His average did peak between 1987-1990, but this does not mean that he didn't average well between 1980-86, or that he wasn't a bowling-allrounder of the highest order during that time;
HowSTAT! Player Analysis by Year
However, I am struggling to find a Test where Imran emulated Ian Botham and impacted a match with BOTH bat and ball (maybe someone else can find a good example!). In that respect Imran is a deficient allrounder in a way that other great allrounders are not.
3rd Test: Pakistan v India at Faisalabad, Jan 3-8, 1983 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
1982/83 against India Imran got 6/98 then 117 (strike rate 96.69) then 5/82. not sure of any other matches though...
you could check out the 1981-92 series in England. Topped the bowling averages and was right up there in the batting averages for the series too. Although Pakistan lost 1-2 but still he was the standout player in that series. Also I think in the 1986-87 series in England which Pakistan did win and Imran got the man of the series.
I wonder if there are any Cricketers from kyear's top 3 ATG sides (who bat in the top 6) who don't make DoG's 100 best batsman of all time?
IIt would have to be a pretty weirdly selected player if he can't find a place in the top 100..
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