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    You guys stay/live in the past TOOO much! lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Was thinking of 3 sides. Australasia, Asia and the rest of the world. Probably missed a couple obvious people but here they are.

    Australasia
    Ponsford
    Morris
    Bradman*
    Ponting
    Chappell
    Miller
    Gilchrist+
    Hadlee
    Warne
    Lillee
    McGrath

    Blasphemy right here, but I could probably drop Miller and put Border in... but that weakens the bowling somewhat.

    Asia

    Gavaskar
    Anwar
    Dravid
    Tendulkar
    Sangakkara+
    Miandad
    Kapil
    Imran*
    Wasim
    Murali
    Waqar

    Not much to say here. Could put in a specialist keeper, but, Sanga's batting is excellent.

    Rest of the World

    Hobbs
    Sutcliffe
    Kallis
    Pollock
    Hammond*
    Sobers
    Knott+
    Marshall
    Jim Laker
    Curtly Ambrose
    Joel Garner

    Wasn't comfortable putting Barnes in over Laker. Obviously controversial middle order, Headley, Richards and Lara unlucky to miss out.

    Would be some interesting matchups imo. What do you guys think? Pretty hard to separate them but I think Australasia has the slightest of edges.
    Top Asia team, the only thing i'd do is put imran at #7 and Kapil at #8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Is this team better than the one in my sig?

    Jack Hobbs
    Barry Richards ^
    Don Bradman *
    Viv Richards ^
    Sachin Tendulkar
    Garry Sobers (5) ^
    Allan Knott *
    Imran Khan (3)
    Malcolm Marshall (1)
    Muttiah Muralitharan (4)
    Glenn McGrath (2)

    Was thining this better suited to playing all over the world including the SC. Richards over Hutton because with Warne ommitted, a third specialist slip is needed, plus all who say him said he was the best and brings imputus to the top order. Hobbs and the middle order are just a class above for me, so no need for change there. Gilchrist is the best keeper batsman, and he mastered keeping to Warne, hence he was an automatic, Murali is a totally different proposition and feel Knott would be better suited, plus he was no mugg with the bat either and batted in a more difficult era to Gilly. Still can't fathom a better pace attack that Marshall, McGrath and Imran and only Amby and probably Lillee would challenge.

    Thoughts?
    Hutton V Richards - Richards (rate him as the 2nd best opener after Hobbs, and his slip catching is a bonus)
    Knott V Gilchrist - Gilchrist (Knott might be a little better with the gloves, but Gilly's batting is just ridiculous and i doubt he'll miss many opportunities with the gloves)
    Murali V Warne - Warne (reckon they're pretty much equal only bowling but warne's extra ability with the bat and fielding is what puts him over)

    I just think Richards, Gilly and Warne are slighty better cricketers than their counterparts and that their 2nd/3rd strengths are what make them the better picks as i don't believe there is much between each of them when it comes to their #1 role (biggest would be between Knott and Gilly but still, Gilchrist was a quality keeper who played in an all time great team and was still one of the stand outs).

    I think the team in your sig is slightly better, Gilchrist's batting being the main difference and Murali's lack of batting being a minor difference compared to Warne, Richards slipping makes up for Warne's that has gone missing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gowza View Post
    Hutton V Richards - Richards (rate him as the 2nd best opener after Hobbs, and his slip catching is a bonus)
    Knott V Gilchrist - Gilchrist (Knott might be a little better with the gloves, but Gilly's batting is just ridiculous and i doubt he'll miss many opportunities with the gloves)
    Murali V Warne - Warne (reckon they're pretty much equal only bowling but warne's extra ability with the bat and fielding is what puts him over)

    I just think Richards, Gilly and Warne are slighty better cricketers than their counterparts and that their 2nd/3rd strengths are what make them the better picks as i don't believe there is much between each of them when it comes to their #1 role (biggest would be between Knott and Gilly but still, Gilchrist was a quality keeper who played in an all time great team and was still one of the stand outs).

    I think the team in your sig is slightly better, Gilchrist's batting being the main difference and Murali's lack of batting being a minor difference compared to Warne, Richards slipping makes up for Warne's that has gone missing.
    'Gilly's batting is just ridiculous' until an accurate right-arm fast bowler (like Flintoff) goes around the wicket and aims to hit the off bail. Then he looks more average.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gowza View Post
    Hutton V Richards - Richards (rate him as the 2nd best opener after Hobbs, and his slip catching is a bonus)
    Knott V Gilchrist - Gilchrist (Knott might be a little better with the gloves, but Gilly's batting is just ridiculous and i doubt he'll miss many opportunities with the gloves)
    Murali V Warne - Warne (reckon they're pretty much equal only bowling but warne's extra ability with the bat and fielding is what puts him over)

    I just think Richards, Gilly and Warne are slighty better cricketers than their counterparts and that their 2nd/3rd strengths are what make them the better picks as i don't believe there is much between each of them when it comes to their #1 role (biggest would be between Knott and Gilly but still, Gilchrist was a quality keeper who played in an all time great team and was still one of the stand outs).

    I think the team in your sig is slightly better, Gilchrist's batting being the main difference and Murali's lack of batting being a minor difference compared to Warne, Richards slipping makes up for Warne's that has gone missing.
    This came about as the more I looked at Warne and Murali, the more it was obvious that there isn't anything at all between them as bowlers. The difference however is that Warne is the much better cricketer and would be more valuable to any team than Murali would be with his batting and catching. Of course this only comes in as they are more or less equals, if Murali was clarly better, then the rest really wouldn't matter.

    Guess I just wanted to see how the team composition with Muttiah would work out. He probably a bit under rated as he is seen as a clear number two to shane and he really isn't.

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    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    This came about as the more I looked at Warne and Murali, the more it was obvious that there isn't anything at all between them as bowlers. The difference however is that Warne is the much better cricketer and would be more valuable to any team than Murali would be with his batting and catching. Of course this only comes in as they are more or less equals, if Murali was clarly better, then the rest really wouldn't matter.

    Guess I just wanted to see how the team composition with Muttiah would work out. He probably a bit under rated as he is seen as a clear number two to shane and he really isn't.

    Rant!!!
    Can't belive the Spurs threw away a championship two games in a row.
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    Since when is he seen as the clear number 2 to Warne? I personally would only have Warne in over him if my batting was particularly weak, or I needed another great slip.
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    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Since when is he seen as the clear number 2 to Warne? I personally would only have Warne in over him if my batting was particularly weak, or I needed another great slip.
    That's what kyear just said.

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    I'd have Warne over Murali every time. For a host of reasons.

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    A host of legitimate reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the big bambino View Post
    A host of legitimate reasons.
    And that is what I am talking about.

    Probably just an Aussie thing, Bradman is god, Lillee is the best despite a host of actual legitimate reasons why he simply isn't and Warne must also simply be the best while using the same arguments ignored for Bradman and Lillee.

    His action was legal, deal with it. He benefitted from playing at home and in helpful conditions, so did lillee (at least Murali still played everywhere). He gained a bit by playing vs minnows, wow so did Bradman.

    No legitimate reason why Warne is so clearly ahead strictly as a bowler.
    Last edited by kyear2; 21-06-2013 at 03:52 AM.

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    I think it very ironic you insinuating that others are guilty of parochialism.

    EDIT: Omg I just noted your BS abt the minnows again.
    Last edited by the big bambino; 21-06-2013 at 06:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    And that is what I am talking about.

    Probably just an Aussie thing, Bradman is god, Lillee is the best despite a host of actual legitimate reasons why he simply isn't and Warne must also simply be the best while using the same arguments ignored for Bradman and Lillee.

    His action was legal, deal with it. He benefitted from playing at home and in helpful conditions, so did lillee (at least Murali still played everywhere). He gained a bit by playing vs minnows, wow so did Bradman.

    No legitimate reason why Warne is so clearly ahead strictly as a bowler.
    Bradman was the best.

    There are plenty of reasons to consider Lillee the best quick ever, but plenty of others to consider also.

    And wouldn't you love to have played 25 tests against Zimb/Bang like Murali did, instead of 4 like Warne did?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Bradman was the best.

    There are plenty of reasons to consider Lillee the best quick ever, but plenty of others to consider also.

    And wouldn't you love to have played 25 tests against Zimb/Bang like Murali did, instead of 4 like Warne did?
    Wouldn't you have loved to play 36 tests against Eng like Warne did, instead of 16 Murali did? Us poms have never been to good with spin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rory90 View Post
    Wouldn't you have loved to play 36 tests against Eng like Warne did, instead of 16 Murali did? Us poms have never been to good with spin.
    Welcome to CW. I feel honoured that you used your first post quoting me....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk View Post
    Welcome to CW. I feel honoured that you used your first post quoting me....
    They said to make the first time memorable......



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