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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    McGrath started in 1993 and was awesome from 1995 onwards (just look at those sub-50 Strike Rates);

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    1995
    Tests = 10
    Wickets = 52
    Ave. = 22
    SR = 45

    1996
    Tests = 5
    Wickets = 30
    Ave. = 18
    SR = 45

    1997
    Tests = 13
    Wickets = 63
    Ave = 21
    SR = 49

    etc...etc

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    Here is McG in the 90s

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    heck, this is pretty good in the 90s but in the 00s he is just godly

    Imran in the 80s

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    SR of 47, Avg of 19 and 256 wickets in the decade. That is even better than Marshall in the 80s
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    And smalishah's avatar is the most classy one by far Jan certainly echoes the sentiments of CW

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    I'll put it out there that there is absolutely zilch reason to include Kallis in that 80s and 90s team.
    Kallis started in 1995 didn't start smashing the ball around till 1999.

    So who is premier 'batting-allrounder' of the 80s-90s then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUFAN View Post
    I'll put it out there that there is absolutely zilch reason to include Kallis in that 80s and 90s team.
    This.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Kallis started in 1995 didn't start smashing the ball around till 1999.

    So who is premier 'batting-allrounder' of the 80s-90s then?
    Yeah so one year of good cricket isn't enough to make my team.

    The obvious answer is Steve Waugh. I was going to look up some stats to find someone else but I don't think its necessary.
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    Imran, from 80 onwards until his retirement in 92, averaged 46 with the bat and 20 with the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Imran, from 80 onwards until his retirement in 92, averaged 46 with the bat and 20 with the ball.
    That average vastly oversells his batting ability.
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    OK, what about this team? Anymore fine tuning necessary?

    Best of the 80s and 90s
    01. Sunil Gavaskar
    02. Gordon Greenidge
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Brian Lara
    06. Steve Waugh
    07. Ian Healy
    08. Imran Khan
    09. Richard Hadlee
    10. Malcolm Marshall
    11. Shane Warne

    Obviously Ponting, Ambrose, and Wasim unlucky to miss out.

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    Needs more Waqar & Dujon
    Every 5 years we have an election and have to decide who are the least obnoxious out of all the men. Then one gets in and they age really quickly. Which is always fun to watch.

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    Actually Dujon doesn't really matter 'cause Imran would bat ahead of Healy anyway. But yeah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Actually Dujon doesn't really matter 'cause Imran would bat ahead of Healy anyway. But yeah
    OK, swapping Healy and Imran around in the batting order. Dujon is tempting, but Healy and Warne are a pretty legendary partnership.

    Can't see Waqar being superior to Imran, Hadlee, Marshall, or Ambrose; unless you take a short window of about 2 years when he was in his pomp.

    Best of the 80s and 90s
    01. Sunil Gavaskar
    02. Gordon Greenidge
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Brian Lara
    06. Steve Waugh
    07. Imran Khan
    08. Ian Healy
    09. Richard Hadlee
    10. Malcolm Marshall
    11. Shane Warne

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    OK, what about this team? Anymore fine tuning necessary?

    Best of the 80s and 90s
    01. Sunil Gavaskar
    02. Gordon Greenidge
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Brian Lara
    06. Steve Waugh
    07. Ian Healy
    08. Imran Khan
    09. Richard Hadlee
    10. Malcolm Marshall
    11. Shane Warne

    Obviously Ponting, Ambrose, and Wasim unlucky to miss out.
    Good team.

    Second XI

    Haynes
    Gooch
    G. Chappell
    Miandad
    Border (c)
    Botham
    Dujon (wk)
    Akram
    Qadir
    Ambrose
    Garner



    Third XI

    Anwar
    Taylor
    Gower
    Crowe
    Lloyd (c)
    Kapil
    Ian Smith (wk)
    Holding
    Murali
    Waqar
    Donald
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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Good team.

    Second XI

    Haynes
    Gooch
    G. Chappell
    Miandad
    Border (c)
    Botham
    Dujon (wk)
    Akram
    Qadir
    Ambrose
    Garner



    Third XI

    Anwar
    Taylor
    Crowe
    Gower
    Lloyd (c)
    Kapil
    Ian Smith (wk)
    Holding
    Murali
    Waqar
    Donald
    Greg Chappell had an annus horribilis in 1981/82 where he scored 6 ducks in a row. Admittedly he did recover to finish his career strongly, but I think that Chappell was past his best during the 80s. Ponting is a tempting replacement, but he didn't start batting at No.3 till the 2000 season. Not sure who should bat at No.3 for your second XI really.

    In the third XI I think that Gower and Crowe need to be swapped around as all of Crowe's best innings were at No.4, and Gower averaged 49 at No.3. Also, Kapil is too high at No.6, especially with a relatively weak tail to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Greg Chappell had an annus horribilis in 1981/82 where he scored 6 ducks in a row. Admittedly he did recover to finish his career strongly, but I think that Chappell was past his best during the 80s. Ponting is a tempting replacement, but he didn't start batting at No.3 till the 2000 season. Not sure who should bat at No.3 for your second XI really.

    In the third XI I think that Gower and Crowe need to be swapped around as all of Crowe's best innings were at No.4, and Gower averaged 49 at No.3. Also, Kapil is too high at No.6, especially with a relatively weak tail to follow.
    Chappell had the best record among batsmen who scored more than 2000 runs in the 1980s averaging a healthy 55+, a few decimal points better than even Border who comes a close second. Miandad averaged 54. No one is even close. After them, Lloyd is at 52. Deano is at 51. I think the second XI is alright. Am cool with swapping Gower and Crowe in the next team, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Good team.

    Second XI

    Haynes
    Gooch
    G. Chappell
    Miandad
    Border (c)
    Botham
    Dujon (wk)
    Akram
    Qadir
    Ambrose
    Garner



    Third XI

    Anwar
    Taylor
    Gower
    Crowe
    Lloyd (c)
    Kapil
    Ian Smith (wk)
    Holding
    Murali
    Waqar
    Donald
    Would take Murali over Qadir every time.

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    Michael Slater is a worthy contender to make one of the 3 best teams of the 80s and 90s. I definitely think that their were periods throughout his career where he was the best opener in the world and one of the most enjoyable batsman to watch too.



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