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    Single syllable All-time XI

    1. Hobbs
    2. Gooch
    3. Weekes
    4. Crowe
    5. Waugh
    6. Greig
    7. Dev
    8. Knott
    9. Warne
    10. Hall
    11. Walsh
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    Single syllable All-time XI

    1. Hobbs
    2. Gooch
    3. Weekes
    4. Crowe
    5. Waugh
    6. Greig
    7. Dev
    8. Knott
    9. Warne
    10. Hall
    11. Walsh
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    Four letter surnames - spent five minutes on it so I expect with a bit of thought most of them can be improved on

    Barry Wood
    Graeme Wood
    Les Ames
    Ian Bell
    Graeme Hick
    Carlisle Best
    Imran Khan
    Maurice Tate
    Tony Lock
    Bill Voce
    Wes Hall

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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Four letter surnames - spent five minutes on it so I expect with a bit of thought most of them can be improved on

    Barry Wood
    Graeme Wood
    Les Ames
    Ian Bell
    Graeme Hick
    Carlisle Best
    Imran Khan
    Maurice Tate
    Tony Lock
    Bill Voce
    Wes Hall
    Clem Hill, Brian Lara, Younis Khan


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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang
    Barry Wood
    Graeme Wood
    Les Ames
    Ian Bell
    Graeme Hick
    Carlisle Best
    Imran Khan
    Maurice Tate
    Tony Lock
    Bill Voce
    Wes Hall
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Four letter surnames - spent five minutes on it so I expect with a bit of thought most of them can be improved on

    Barry Wood
    Graeme Wood
    Les Ames
    Ian Bell
    Graeme Hick
    Carlisle Best
    Imran Khan
    Maurice Tate
    Tony Lock
    Bill Voce
    Wes Hall
    I think you probably can improve on it a little... (ps, I always thought of Imran as Imran so he's not eligible...)
    Cook
    Boon
    Amla
    Lara
    Rowe
    Reid (JR)
    Ames *
    Tate
    Hall
    Bond
    Lock / Bedi

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    Best of the 80s and 90s

    01. Sunil Gavaskar
    02. Matthew Hayden
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Brian Lara
    06. Jacques Kallis
    07. Ian Healy
    08. Shane Warne
    09. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Wasim Akram
    11. Glenn McGrath

    12th Ricky Ponting
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    somewhat like Lillee in his time, Wasim commands the respect of his generation of fast bowlers

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Best of the 80s and 90s

    01. Sunil Gavaskar
    02. Matthew Hayden
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Brian Lara
    06. Jacques Kallis
    07. Ian Healy
    08. Shane Warne
    09. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Wasim Akram
    11. Glenn McGrath

    12th Ricky Ponting
    Hayden made it only in the 00s. Greenidge deserves to be the opener with Sunny. Even Gooch is a good shout. Not Matty.

    Imran and Hadlee in the 80s were superior to Kallis and McGrath in the 90s. They were taking wickets at sub 20 averages for 10 years. Imran also averaged 50+ with the bat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Hayden made it only in the 00s. Greenidge deserves to be the opener with Sunny. Even Gooch is a good shout. Not Matty.

    Imran and Hadlee in the 80s were superior to Kallis and McGrath in the 90s. They were taking wickets at sub 20 averages for 10 years. Imran also averaged 50+ with the bat.
    Yeah, you're right re Hayden. Put Greenidge in I think even though I subconsciously think of him as a 70s batsman.

    Imran and Hadlee are not good enough batsman to replace Kallis at No.6, but could easily contend for McGraths spot. However, Marshall and McGrath are such different styles of bowler that I think that they would complement eachother 'perfectly'.

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    I think Hadlee could bowl line and length for extended periods of time.....besides i think McGrath really hit his stride in the 00s and not the 90s.....would agree with bagapath that I would Imran and Hadlee of the 80s over McG of the 90s

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    Quote Originally Posted by smalishah84 View Post
    I think Hadlee could bowl line and length for extended periods of time.....besides i think McGrath really hit his stride in the 00s and not the 90s.....would agree with bagapath that I would Imran and Hadlee of the 80s over McG of the 90s
    McGrath started in 1993 and was awesome from 1995 onwards (just look at those sub-50 Strike Rates);

    http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

    1995
    Tests = 10
    Wickets = 52
    Ave. = 22
    SR = 45

    1996
    Tests = 5
    Wickets = 30
    Ave. = 18
    SR = 45

    1997
    Tests = 13
    Wickets = 63
    Ave = 21
    SR = 49

    etc...etc

    But yes, I see your point.

    01. Sunil Gavaskar
    02. Gordon Greenidge
    03. Viv Richards
    04. Sachin Tendulkar
    05. Brian Lara
    06. Jacques Kallis
    07. Ian Healy
    08. Richard Hadlee
    09. Malcolm Marshall
    10. Wasim Akram
    11. Shane Warne

    Now I'm trying to justifying Wasim over Imran or Ambrose - and having problems inside my head other than a bit of excellent left-arm variety is a very good idea.
    Last edited by watson; 21-05-2013 at 03:56 AM.

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    Ambrose deserves a shout before both Wasim and Hadlee imho.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Cameron+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Ambrose deserves a shout before both Wasim and Hadlee imho.
    I think Imran and Hadlee both deserve a shout ahead of Ambrose (considering that we are taking only the 80s, over the course of their careers Ambrose might be a slightly better bowler). Both Hadlee and Imran have very complete records, did very well against the best team of their era and had some batting skills to boot. Why do you consider Ambrose ahead of Hadlee?

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    I'll put it out there that there is absolutely zilch reason to include Kallis in that 80s and 90s team.



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