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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Did you decide Hammond didn't quite qualify or did you just decide you'd rather have Kallis, Sobers and Miller?
    Seeing as he took less than a wicket per match, didn't include him. If I had him in the team, he wouldn't really be someone I planned on using (as a bowler) in a Test.
    ATG World XI
    1. J.B Hobbs 2. H. Sutcliffe 3. D.G Bradman 4. W.R Hammond 5. G.S Sobers 6. M.J Procter 7. A.C Gilchrist 8. M.D Marshall 9. S.K Warne 10. M. Muralitharan 11. G.D McGrath

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    South africa AT XI

    G. Smith
    H. Amla
    G.A. Pollock
    J.H. Kallis
    A.B. De Villiers
    G. A. Faulkner
    Mark Boucher +
    S.M. Pollock
    H.J. Tayfield
    Dale Steyn
    A.A. Donald

    ATG pace attack with Donald and Steyn taking the new ball and Shaun Pollock at first change. Tayfield could very well be the best off spinner of all time. Faulkner will bowl his wrist spin to complete the bowling attack. Kallis is always there if any of these guys needs a break.

    The top 5 batters are pure gold. At 6,7 and 8 we have solid late order batting from an allrounder, a batsman-keeper, and a bowling all-rounder.

    Kallis and Smith are excellent slip catchers. De Villiers is unmatched in the outfield.

    This is a good, solid team
    Good team. Leaving out Barry your way of tilting at the windmills?

    Barry | Smith | Kallis | Pollock | Nourse | Taylor | Lindsay/Waite | Procter | Tayfield | Steyn | Donald
    If you were that old, and that kind, and the very last of your kind, you couldn't just stand back and watch children cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coronis View Post
    Seeing as he took less than a wicket per match, didn't include him. If I had him in the team, he wouldn't really be someone I planned on using (as a bowler) in a Test.
    The main reason he took relatively few wickets per match was because he bowled progressively less as he got older, understandably for someone who got through so much batting, and most of Hammond's contemporaries describe him as a talented and surprisingly quick seam bowler.

    On occasions where he did play as an allrounder he was generally pretty effective. On a tour of South Africa in his younger days he took 27 wickets at 23. He could take the lead as well in FC matches - he once took 9-23 against Worcester, and on the Bodyline tour he took 6-43 in a game against NSW, including Bradman. Wisden describes his bowling in the second Test at Melbourne as "excellent", outshining the formidable pace attack England were playing.

    More to the point, the idea of "additional" bowlers is to try and unsettle the batsmen, and so even as a support option Hammond's pace provides something a bit extra over the norm.

    I don't think he matches up to Kallis as a bowler - the fact that Kallis has kept up his bowling for so long provides a fair contrast to Hammond not being really able to do so - but the man could seriously bowl.
    And we still haven't walked in the glow of each other's majestic presence.

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    AWTA.

    As an All Rounder Hammond is pretty under rated, as his bowling when utilised was pretty sharp and effective. The fact that he was an elite slip fielder only adds to his value.
    Aus. XI
    Simpson^ | Hayden | Bradman | Chappell^ | Ponting | Border* | Gilchrist+ | Davidson3 | Warne4^ | Lillee1 | McGrath2


    W.I. XI
    Greenidge | Hunte | Richards^ | Headley* | Lara^ | Sobers5^ | Walcott+ | Marshall1 | Ambrose2 | Holding3 | Garner4

    S.A. XI
    Richards^ | Smith*^ | Amla | Pollock | Kallis5^ | Nourse | Waite+ | Procter3 | Steyn1 | Tayfield4 | Donald2

    Eng. XI
    Hobbs | Hutton*^ | Hammond^ | Compton | Barrington | Botham5^ | Knott | Trueman1 | Laker4 | Larwood2 | Barnes3


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    Hammond was good bowler as his contemporaries confirm. David foots book also makes it clear that he didn't much like bowling, particularly as he got older. A wonderful adjunct to his game and comparable to Kallis in skill though the SA all rounder definitely values his bowling more than Wally apparently did and wins on longevity.

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    Short career champs XI

    Barry Richards
    Merchant
    Ranji
    G. Pollock
    John F Reid
    Lindsay +
    Procter
    F de Villiers
    Traicos
    Bond
    Wardle

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    Quote Originally Posted by bagapath View Post
    Short career champs XI

    Barry Richards
    Merchant
    Ranji
    G. Pollock
    John F Reid
    Lindsay +
    Procter
    F de Villiers
    Traicos
    Bond
    Wardle
    Headley?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    Headley?
    Long career in terms of years played, I guess. Sylvester Clarke and Peter Pollock missing, no?
    Last edited by harsh.ag; 14-05-2013 at 04:52 AM.

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    No room for Archie Jackson or Sid Barnes?

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    O'Reilly only played 27 tests I believe and Croft didn't play that much either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyear2 View Post
    O'Reilly only played 27 tests I believe and Croft didn't play that much either.
    i think headley and oreilly had full careers.

    croft is a good shout i agree. sid barnes and archie jackson are also possibilities.

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    Short Careers

    1. Vijay Merchant
    2. Barry Richards
    3. KS Ranjitsinhji
    4. Graeme Pollock
    5. Archie Jackson
    6. Mike Procter
    7. Jock Cameron +
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    We need a Long Career team to take on the Short Career team.

    Qualification is > 100 Test matches;

    01. Sunil Gavaskar (125)
    02. Gordon Greenidge (108)
    03. Viv Richards (121)
    04. Sachin Tendulkar (>198)
    05. Brian Lara (131)
    06. Jacques Kallis (>162)
    07. Mark Boucher (147)
    08. Wasim Akram (104)
    09. Shane Warne (145)
    10. Courtney Walsh (132)
    11. Glenn McGrath (124)

    Sobers, Gilchrist, Knott, and Ambrose all just miss out because of the cut-off.

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    Not bad at all Watson.

    Still think Headley and O'Reilly deserve a look in for the short career XI. Just personal opnion though as I understand that some believe that time wise they played full careers.

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    Murali into the long runners XI you'd think. Played 29 more tests than Wasim and, as we've shown, that can constitute a career on it own



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